Unholy Dps | 3.3.5, King of Anything - Page 135

Kritz · 01/03/10, 5:55 PM

I was just curious. Is there a cut off point on gear with 2 parts t10 and x amount of armour pen where glyph of Scourge Strike beats Glyph of Dark Death ? I'm not too up on doing the maths or the calculations dunno where to even start tbh . But ... GoSS means you gain half a SS per rotation where as GoDD means you gain 60% of a DC . Yes you lose the damage from a PS and IT but you gain a gcd slot . Just wondering if anyone had run some sims or comparrisions with new gear.

Pulz · 01/03/10, 6:13 PM

Originally Posted by Dardalios

Something I read on the WoW boards was quite interesting. It was a thread about pet dps and was mainly focused on mages and warlocks, but it could also benefit our ghouls. It basically was focused on how pets do not use there auto cast on cool down.

So they macro'ed in a /petability command to all of their abilities to gain an ability increase of about 27%.

Apparently it was also an issue in TBC with hunter pets.

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Pet latency costing 3.5% - 5% DPS

Sorry if this was posted before, I double checked the OP and did not see any mention.

Mage and Warlock pets use mana compared to our pets who use 100 energy instead as the resource. The gain would be if Revitalize gives the Ghoul energy. Using a macro would benefit you asin you get two Claw's of on very short fights that do not last much longer then that. In the long run, unless the Ghoul for some reason would "cap" out on 100 energy the gains are no where near what a pet with mana could gain.

Silandra · 01/03/10, 6:20 PM

Originally Posted by Unreal54

Could you perhaps post your Bone Shield macro? Atm I use this one (from what Im reading Im doing it wrong);

#showtooltip Bone Shield
/cast Blood Tap
/stopcasting
/cast Bone Shield

I then cancel the aura manually using another macro;

/cancelaura Blood Tap

Try:

/cancelaura Blood Tap
/cast Blood Tap
/cast Bone Shield

One press should BT then BS, the second press will cancel BT

coolhwhip · 01/03/10, 9:37 PM

In ICC last week another DK had gone 2H Unholy for the first time. He was using the old rotation of IT PS BS BS SS DC DC repeat. He did more dps then using the specs mentioned in this thread. When i asked him he said he was just fueling DC. Has anyone else tried this or have more insight on whether this spec is viable or if fueling DC's in combination with SS would be a benefit if room can be made for Morbidity?

Here is a link the fights.
WoW Meters Online - Combatlog Replay

Kaejin · 01/03/10, 11:05 PM

The old ten second rotation still works rather well. There's a DK in my guild still using it, but he only started to out DPS me (me being the one using one of the more current SS focused specs) once he got Bryntroll. Before then he would usually be behind me by a little.

I'm not really convinced of anything besides the fact that it's managed to not be garbage after the SS buff. I really doubt it will hold up compared to SS heavy builds with all of the Armor Pen you can get in ICC.

coolhwhip · 01/03/10, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Kaejin

The old ten second rotation still works rather well. There's a DK in my guild still using it, but he only started to out DPS me (me being the one using one of the more current SS focused specs) once he got Bryntroll. Before then he would usually be behind me by a little.

I'm not really convinced of anything besides the fact that it's managed to not be garbage after the SS buff. I really doubt it will hold up compared to SS heavy builds with all of the Armor Pen you can get in ICC.

Ya thats what I'm wondering though. I wont have 2pc t10 for a little bit and I have bryntroll so maybe this is a spec and rotation worthy of noting pre 2pc t10?

Kaejin · 01/03/10, 11:38 PM

Considering you said this was the first time he went Unholy, I wouldn't be too quick to make assumptions. If he had been playing as one of the SS heavy specs and then switched to a ten second build and achieved consistently better results, that may be one thing. However, seeing as you have nothing to compare his performance as unholy to besides the other DKs in your guild, you have to take into consideration differences between gear, player skill, and latency (and whatever else I might be forgetting).

For instance, even though the other DK in my guild and I have very similar gear levels, he has about 13% less armor pen than I do. Something like this could make a lot of difference in why he's using a ten second rotation or why he's doing so well with it at the moment.

I went and messed around with the Team Robot sim and compared his spec to the 14/0/57 spec from the OP. At his current gear level, the difference between the two was very small. Once I started to run the sim with a mix of 264 and 277 gear (and closer to 45% armor pen instead of 11%), the difference become as big as 200 DPS, in 14/0/57's favor.

coolhwhip · 01/04/10, 12:13 AM

I guess I kinda figured as much. I'm just really trying to min max my dps. Was a bit disappointed in myself that I couldn't out do him I guess. He was always DW frost/unholy. Guess we'll just see how a few weeks go.

Any input as to whether or not dropping 2 pts from bladed armor and a point from necrosis or dark conviction to pick up morbidity for the extra DC dmg would help? I can squeeze out 4 DC's in the basic rotation i'm using ~50% of the time, getting only 3 for the rest and using HoW. Just wondering if that 15% DC dmg would go well with the extra SS dmg plus adding a tad more for the unholy blight dot.

Faerlun · 01/04/10, 1:13 AM

I think I must be missing a key point here, so if someone would be kind enough to point it out...

I'm confused about upgrading from 4p t9.5 to 2p t10. According to the numbers listed on the first page, 4p t9 is worth 446.15 at the 264 ilvl, while 2p t10 is worth 340.00. Unless the stat difference made after shifting around gear to accommodate the change in hit is > 106.15, wouldn't it be better to stick with the 4p t9.5?

Asphyxialol · 01/04/10, 1:33 AM

Originally Posted by Faerlun

I think I must be missing a key point here, so if someone would be kind enough to point it out...

I'm confused about upgrading from 4p t9.5 to 2p t10. According to the numbers listed on the first page, 4p t9 is worth 446.15 at the 264 ilvl, while 2p t10 is worth 340.00. Unless the stat difference made after shifting around gear to accommodate the change in hit is > 106.15, wouldn't it be better to stick with the 4p t9.5?

The gear makes up the difference, as demonstrated in posts. 106.15 is just 35 strength (give or take), which the 6 ilvls make up and then some by the secondary stat on most pieces. This is especially true if you are going from 245 to 264. If you are going from 258 to 264 it could be variable, I know of a couple of DKs who don't plan to swap until 4p t10 (all in full 258 t9), but for most the switch is a dps upgrade. You also have to take into consideration the spec change. 3% melee crit from dark conviction benefits 4pt9 more than 2pt10, so losing that in favor of better strike damage is not significant (and is actually a buff in itself with the 2pt10). Consider has generally been very good at looking through all angles to provide the most accurate information to the largest audience.

Bllets · 01/04/10, 2:12 AM

Originally Posted by Faerlun

I think I must be missing a key point here, so if someone would be kind enough to point it out...

I'm confused about upgrading from 4p t9.5 to 2p t10. According to the numbers listed on the first page, 4p t9 is worth 446.15 at the 264 ilvl, while 2p t10 is worth 340.00. Unless the stat difference made after shifting around gear to accommodate the change in hit is > 106.15, wouldn't it be better to stick with the 4p t9.5?

In addition to asphyxilol's post. It's not set in stone when someone should change. A simulation can give you an answer.

For me the dps in the two, going only from 245 to 251:
4pt9: 8284 dps; 4pt10: 8495 dps

I will however also with 2xT10 have 627 passive ArP, which favor 2pt10 and a reaping built quite a bit.

A fellow guild mate who is also Unholy but with way less ArP and Bryntroll have these results:
4pt9:8586 dps; 2pt10: 8678 dps

It all comes down to the single DK.

drake_rocket · 01/04/10, 4:02 AM

Having looked through the trinket section in some detail, and having reviewed a number of pages posted recently, I have been unable to find any discussion on Tiny Abomination in a Jar.

Has any testing been done to see if this particular strange little trinket is worthwhile? Certainly I don't imagine it will be able to compare to Death's Verdict, but unlike many trinkets it isn't as easy to gauge how potent its effects will be since it isn't just a +blah for blah many seconds out of every 1 or 2 minutes.

Janiy · 01/04/10, 4:54 AM

Originally Posted by drake_rocket

Having looked through the trinket section in some detail, and having reviewed a number of pages posted recently, I have been unable to find any discussion on Tiny Abomination in a Jar.

Has any testing been done to see if this particular strange little trinket is worthwhile? Certainly I don't imagine it will be able to compare to Death's Verdict, but unlike many trinkets it isn't as easy to gauge how potent its effects will be since it isn't just a +blah for blah many seconds out of every 1 or 2 minutes.

Don't think it's possible to test on a trinket that hasn't been released yet. Check back on Tuesday when those bosses come out.

Omedus · 01/04/10, 6:56 AM

I believe the stat differences would make up for it. You could do what I decided to do, which is wait for both 2 set bonuses if that would make you feel more comfortable making the switch. Of course my T9 was 232/245, not 258.

-highwind- · 01/04/10, 7:20 AM

are those points in dark conviction the "weakest" from the cookie-cutter-non-reaping-built, as soon as you drop 4pt9 for 2pt10 ?

i am asking because i dont have the freedom to have one ae and one single target spec and looking for the best combination for raiding, once i adopt 2 or 4 piece t10.

assuming dark conviction is the weakest i came up with this:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...3rI7,pFH,11159
it is pretty much the reaping spec from the frontpage but with 2 points in morbidity for dnd in every second runeset.