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Old 06/10/10, 7:55 AM   #3401
Sealpup
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Death Knight
 
Frostwolf
It is still viable to re-direct army/gargoyle when the regular ghoul is around. While having defensive stance, simply make them all follow then attack the intended target. So default keybinds CTRL + 2 then CTRL + 1 very quickly. I recently managed this at heroic Lich King.

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Old 06/10/10, 8:21 AM   #3402
Autoband
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Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Outland (EU)
Originally Posted by ent0r View Post
Hi, sorry to butt in, we are doing Putricide HM 25 Progressand I have a question:

How do I "aim" AotD at the green ooz? My Problem is, that they sometimes simply switch to putricide, despite the green ooze being closer, me having no diseases on Putricide, I even frostfevered the green ooze before pulling out the army.
(we are waiting for the Gaseous Bloat to spawn initiating the phase change, since our DPS is not consistent high enough, and because of energy issues on the abomination despite revitalize, and therefore I have time to spare)

Rarely they do stick to the green ooze, but I am at a loss what I am doing wrong.
If you raid as unholy you can just pull back pet and then send it to attack the green ooze (army should follow).

If you're frost you must first attack the ooze (in some way), and summon after, so they will go on the ooze as its last target you attacked and not PP (your old target)

-edit didnt realise there were so many responses already, delete if deemed superfluous-

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Old 06/10/10, 11:52 AM   #3403
bsolar
Glass Joe
 
Undead Death Knight
 
Runetotem (EU)
About pet control, I am unable to control the Gargoyle in the LK encounter. I wish to pop it during phase transitions to have full dps on the raging spirits, but I manage to have it attack only the first raging, then it flies away and keeps attacking the LK. Probably the LK generates aggro on it through his Pain and Suffering attack and the Gargoyle after it's primary target is dead just follows threat table. There is no way to control it then?

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Old 06/10/10, 8:29 PM   #3404
Angelababy
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Aerie Peak
Rune of Lichbane

I haven't seen this topic being talked about yet, but wouldn't Rune of Lichbane be viable in ICC? 4% extra weapon damage to everything seems to be a lot.

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Old 06/10/10, 9:18 PM   #3405
dr_AllCOM3
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Orc Death Knight
 
Blutkessel (EU)
Originally Posted by Angelababy View Post
I haven't seen this topic being talked about yet, but wouldn't Rune of Lichbane be viable in ICC? 4% extra weapon damage to everything seems to be a lot.
It's based on unmodifed weapon damage (and it does only work on autoattacks). The extra damage does not scale at all and is very crappy.


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Old 06/11/10, 8:52 AM   #3406
Lamperouqe
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Orc Death Knight
 
Stormreaver (EU)
Originally Posted by bsolar View Post
About pet control, I am unable to control the Gargoyle in the LK encounter. I wish to pop it during phase transitions to have full dps on the raging spirits, but I manage to have it attack only the first raging, then it flies away and keeps attacking the LK. Probably the LK generates aggro on it through his Pain and Suffering attack and the Gargoyle after it's primary target is dead just follows threat table. There is no way to control it then?
Make a macro with:

/petfollow
/petattack

Using this makes your Gargoyle start attacking your current target. Though the Gargoyle might instantly swap back to LK because of Pain and Suffering.

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Old 06/11/10, 1:25 PM   #3407
Kaeori
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Human Death Knight
 
Sargeras
Originally Posted by bsolar View Post
About pet control, I am unable to control the Gargoyle in the LK encounter. I wish to pop it during phase transitions to have full dps on the raging spirits, but I manage to have it attack only the first raging, then it flies away and keeps attacking the LK. Probably the LK generates aggro on it through his Pain and Suffering attack and the Gargoyle after it's primary target is dead just follows threat table. There is no way to control it then?
Put your pets on passive for the duration of the transition phase and manually instruct them to attack raging spirits.

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Old 06/11/10, 8:38 PM   #3408
Lamperouqe
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Stormreaver (EU)
Originally Posted by Kaeori View Post
Put your pets on passive for the duration of the transition phase and manually instruct them to attack raging spirits.
That works for your ghoul, but Gargoyle doesn't quite work like that. The only way to control it that I've heard of is to /petfollow and then /petattack.

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Old 06/16/10, 12:43 AM   #3409
lui11
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Draenei Death Knight
 
Darkmoon Faire (EU)
I have a problem between the last pestilence in the aoe rotation and the DnD...Sometimes, waiting time is 1/2 sec , sometimes 19/20 seconds.I feel always useless when i have to wait such a long time. I find this strange because i didn't have this problem before, this occur since three weeks. I tried to change the rotation , but it's always a huge lose in dps...So i continue...i tried to understand it , but i fail...If someone have any answer , i will be very happy because that make me really crazy Thank you ...

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Old 06/16/10, 3:26 AM   #3410
Vhaeraun
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Human Death Knight
 
Elune (EU)
Hmmm, maybe because you don't have Morbidity 2/3 (or more)? You use Pestilence every 20 seconds, but D&D has a 30 seconds CD. You can't use the rotation given by Consider if you don't have Morbidity.
You should use a priority system (PS>IT>D&D>Desolation>BB>SS>BS or smth like that).

Last edited by Vhaeraun : 06/17/10 at 3:19 PM.

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Old 06/17/10, 2:08 PM   #3411
fiveop
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Dwarf Paladin
 
Dethecus (EU)
What I don't get regarding expertise is the following. Assuming a BS,SS or PS is dodged, even if I have GCDs to spare, doesn't it mean, that my runes get activated (at least) one GCD later, hence come up a GCD later, which could add up over time, so overall I would be able to use the respective abilities less often?
One has to consider SS and BS seperatly of course. Since SS damage/GCD is way better than anything, the above scenario would always be bad. When it comes to BS you basically only 'need' it to refresh desolation and to gain runepower (if you have not enough other sources like AMS), so there it might be no problem.

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Old 06/17/10, 3:02 PM   #3412
Yubble
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Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Bladefist
Originally Posted by fiveop View Post
What I don't get regarding expertise is the following. Assuming a BS,SS or PS is dodged, even if I have GCDs to spare, doesn't it mean, that my runes get activated (at least) one GCD later, hence come up a GCD later, which could add up over time, so overall I would be able to use the respective abilities less often?
One has to consider SS and BS seperatly of course. Since SS damage/GCD is way better than anything, the above scenario would always be bad. When it comes to BS you basically only 'need' it to refresh desolation and to gain runepower (if you have not enough other sources like AMS), so there it might be no problem.
I could be mistaken, because I haven't been dodged in a while, but I believe that dodges and parries act like misses do - your rune does NOT get swallowed, but it does get activated for about .5 sec, as does your GCD timer. Pretty sure that all gets offset by the rune grace period. So, really, the answer is "NO" - neither your rune nor your GCD is fully used when you are dodged. That's why it doesn't matter as much with unholy - you can basically re-hit the dodged attack immediately, and unholy usually has extra GCD's open so it doesn't make a huge difference.

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Old 06/17/10, 3:21 PM   #3413
Medestruit
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Death Knight
 
Aerie Peak
Originally Posted by Yubble View Post
I could be mistaken, because I haven't been dodged in a while, but I believe that dodges and parries act like misses do - your rune does NOT get swallowed, but it does get activated for about .5 sec, as does your GCD timer. Pretty sure that all gets offset by the rune grace period. So, really, the answer is "NO" - neither your rune nor your GCD is fully used when you are dodged. That's why it doesn't matter as much with unholy - you can basically re-hit the dodged attack immediately, and unholy usually has extra GCD's open so it doesn't make a huge difference.
Yup, runes do not get used on dodge/parry/miss. Worst case scenario, you don't use a blood strike(if you have a SS dodged or miss) so you'll have a blood rune that isn't used for a half rotation. It's not an issue since the SS is obviously the more powerful of the 2 attacks, so the difference is negligible.

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Old 06/17/10, 4:41 PM   #3414
kc102
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Human Death Knight
 
Anvilmar
Viable DPS in Unholy presence? As strange as it sounds, I'm getting higher numbers (about 100 dps) using this spec.
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
And this gear...
The World of Warcraft Armory - Frozensanity @ Anvilmar - Profile
Note: The weapon I'm simming with is h Bryntroll. I'm not having Kahorie's sim give me any RP for comparing against the cookie-cutter unholy build, but giving 100RP every 15 seconds makes this spec almost better then the Frost build I've been running (Comparing with Frost build having the same RP-gen).

I know people have been posting about the occasional Unholy Pres build, but this one seems to actually provide the higher numbers. Priority is Diseases > Desolation > SS > BS > DC > HoW

If someone could run the spec, and leme know if this works for them too, that'd be awesome. Also, here's the numbers.

Ability Damage done    hits   Crits   Misses  Glances   Uptime
 Total % # Avg # % Avg # % Avg # Avg # % Avg %
MainHand 1062204895 22.2 204080 7002.7 74920 35.6 3937 76765 36.5 8113 6505 3.1 52395 24.9 2756.9
Ghoul 533206207 11.1 451407 1585.1 276128 59.8 1117.2 60264 13.1 2235.9 10124 2.2 115015 24.9 782.2
ScourgeStrike 451371755 9.4 59772 7551.6 34455 55.9 4768 25317 41.1 11339.8 1865 3
DeathCoil 409281481 8.6 59555 6872.3 37565 60.7 4938.4 21990 35.5 10176 2302 3.7
BloodStrike 303633538 6.3 77805 3902.5 49524 61.7 2817.2 28281 35.2 5803 2453 3.1
FrostFever 265562390 5.5 111708 2377.3 111708 100 2377.3 99.5
Gargoyle 235360945 4.9 45488 5174.1 39594 83.7 4581 5894 12.5 9158.9 1820 3.8
BloodPlague 222055829 4.6 111959 1983.4 111959 100 1983.4 99.9
ScourgeStrikeMagical 217376924 4.5 59772 3636.8 34455 57.6 2296.1 25317 42.4 5461.3
Necrosis 206371591 4.3 204080 1011.2 204080 100
BryntrollHeroic 161678179 3.4 39502 4092.9 39502 96.3 4092.9 1534 3.7
BloodCakedBlade 160633926 3.4 59421 2703.3 59421 96.9 2703.3 1910 3.1
Ghoul: Claw 158132752 3.3 90398 1749.3 78546 85 1676 11852 12.8 2235.2 2059 2.2
WanderingPlague 131226338 2.7 60230 2178.8 60230 96.4 2232 3.6
PlagueStrike 97764014 2 20425 4786.5 11693 55.7 3014 8732 41.6 7160.1 584 2.8
IcyTouch 89074728 1.9 20285 4391.2 12765 60.6 3153.2 7520 35.7 6492.5 766 3.6
UnholyBlight 40913042 .9 59555 687 59555 100
Army of the Dead 40177254 .8 297219 135.2 257701 84.8 132.8 39518 13 150.9 6498 2.1
DPS 13294(+/- 2548)                 
Total Damage 4786.03m in 100h                
Total runic power used: 2597760 (170 wasted)                  
Threat Per Second 8904                 
Generated in 92s                 
Template: 2HUnholyTest                 
Priority: UnholyPriority                 
Presence: Unholy                 
Sigil: HangedMan                 
RuneEnchant: FallenCrusader                 
Pet Calculation: True                 
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Ability Damage done    hits   Crits   Misses  Glances   Uptime
 Total % # Avg # % Avg # % Avg # Avg # % Avg %
MainHand 1071241216 22.6 176610 8159.8 64792 35.6 4587.6 66491 36.5 9450.8 5638 3.1 45327 24.9 3212.4
ScourgeStrike 467727503 9.8 53122 8804.8 30620 55.9 5559.5 22502 41.1 13220.8 1660 3
Ghoul 459445120 9.7 390555 1578.6 238976 59.9 1112.9 52071 13 2226.9 8702 2.2 99508 24.9 779.2
DeathCoil 327191510 6.9 40854 8008.8 25819 60.8 5764.3 15035 35.4 11863.1 1626 3.8
BloodStrike 316739416 6.7 69653 4547.4 44288 61.6 3281 25365 35.3 6758.5 2200 3.1
FrostFever 295005998 6.2 107058 2755.6 107058 100 2755.6 99.1
ScourgeStrikeMagical 258096100 5.4 53122 4858.6 30620 57.6 3068 22502 42.4 7295.1
BloodPlague 247046969 5.2 107236 2303.8 107236 100 2303.8 99.7
Necrosis 208141279 4.4 176610 1178.5 176610 100
Gargoyle 199004141 4.2 38497 5169.3 33520 83.7 4577.9 4977 12.4 9152.8 1557 3.9
BryntrollHeroic 165524896 3.5 34588 4785.6 34588 96.2 4785.6 1351 3.8
BloodCakedBlade 162311164 3.4 51576 3147 51576 96.9 3147 1662 3.1
Ghoul: Claw 157467964 3.3 90370 1742.5 78519 85 1669.5 11851 12.8 2226.2 2058 2.2
WanderingPlague 146573930 3.1 58214 2517.8 58214 96.4 2161 3.6
PlagueStrike 102921244 2.2 18504 5562.1 10633 55.9 3506.6 7871 41.4 8338.9 519 2.7
IcyTouch 94503504 2 18514 5104.4 11614 60.5 3660.6 6900 35.9 7534.7 692 3.6
Army of the Dead 37093772 .8 257299 144.2 223085 85 142.8 34214 13 153 5284 2
UnholyBlight 32720522 .7 40854 800.9 40854 100
DPS 13191(+/- 2694)                 
Total Damage 4748.76m in 100h                
Total runic power used: 1822680 (311560 wasted)                  
Threat Per Second 9063                 
Generated in 81s                 
Template: 2HUnholy                 
Priority: UnholyPriority                 
Presence: Blood                 
Sigil: HangedMan                 
RuneEnchant: FallenCrusader                 
Pet Calculation: True                 

With Shadowmourne, I got 14177 with cc spec, and 14283 with this spec.

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Old 06/17/10, 7:33 PM   #3415
Sh4d0wfury
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Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Ursin
There is something wrong with your sim, you didn't waste any RP on your test spec and the CC spec wasted alot more than it should. Run with a rotation instead of a priority.

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Old 06/17/10, 8:07 PM   #3416
Larisroth
Piston Honda
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Thaurissan
Originally Posted by Sh4d0wfury View Post
There is something wrong with your sim, you didn't waste any RP on your test spec and the CC spec wasted alot more than it should. Run with a rotation instead of a priority.
The sole reason those sims are coming out that way is because he's generating 100 additional RP every 15 seconds (rather unrealistic, consider that's about as much RP as you normally generate from strikes during that period). Which means the blood presence is majorly gcd constrained. Still the unholy presence build is only marginally more dps than the blood presence one. Running a reaping and/or GoD build should give you additional GCDs which might allow you to use more of the RP. Additionally, if you are GCD constrained then getting more spell hit and expertise can also increase your dps.

The feral druid is a different beast altogether.

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Old 06/17/10, 8:30 PM   #3417
dr_AllCOM3
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Orc Death Knight
 
Blutkessel (EU)
Originally Posted by kc102 View Post
Viable DPS in Unholy presence? As strange as it sounds, I'm getting higher numbers (about 100 dps) using this spec.
Highly unrealistic test setup and even the slightest bit of aoe damage would make the Blood Presence better by far.


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Old 06/17/10, 8:32 PM   #3418
kc102
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Human Death Knight
 
Anvilmar
No, these are not running with 100 RP. No RP is being given. I just ran again. Made sure of no RP gen. Also, rotations are rather messy imo. Give me a good one and I'll try it out. BP is prioritized over FF. DC is under BS.

@AllCOM
I'm winning my AoE fights against the other DKs...

Ability Damage done    hits   Crits   Misses  Glances   Uptime
 Total % # Avg # % Avg # % Avg # Avg # % Avg %
MainHand 1062204895 22.2 204080 7002.7 74920 35.6 3937 76765 36.5 8113 6505 3.1 52395 24.9 2756.9
Ghoul 533206207 11.1 451407 1585.1 276128 59.8 1117.2 60264 13.1 2235.9 10124 2.2 115015 24.9 782.2
ScourgeStrike 451371755 9.4 59772 7551.6 34455 55.9 4768 25317 41.1 11339.8 1865 3
DeathCoil 409281481 8.6 59555 6872.3 37565 60.7 4938.4 21990 35.5 10176 2302 3.7
BloodStrike 303633538 6.3 77805 3902.5 49524 61.7 2817.2 28281 35.2 5803 2453 3.1
FrostFever 265562390 5.5 111708 2377.3 111708 100 2377.3 99.5
Gargoyle 235360945 4.9 45488 5174.1 39594 83.7 4581 5894 12.5 9158.9 1820 3.8
BloodPlague 222055829 4.6 111959 1983.4 111959 100 1983.4 99.9
ScourgeStrikeMagical 217376924 4.5 59772 3636.8 34455 57.6 2296.1 25317 42.4 5461.3
Necrosis 206371591 4.3 204080 1011.2 204080 100
BryntrollHeroic 161678179 3.4 39502 4092.9 39502 96.3 4092.9 1534 3.7
BloodCakedBlade 160633926 3.4 59421 2703.3 59421 96.9 2703.3 1910 3.1
Ghoul: Claw 158132752 3.3 90398 1749.3 78546 85 1676 11852 12.8 2235.2 2059 2.2
WanderingPlague 131226338 2.7 60230 2178.8 60230 96.4 2232 3.6
PlagueStrike 97764014 2 20425 4786.5 11693 55.7 3014 8732 41.6 7160.1 584 2.8
IcyTouch 89074728 1.9 20285 4391.2 12765 60.6 3153.2 7520 35.7 6492.5 766 3.6
UnholyBlight 40913042 .9 59555 687 59555 100
Army of the Dead 40177254 .8 297219 135.2 257701 84.8 132.8 39518 13 150.9 6498 2.1
DPS 13294(+/- 2548)                 
Total Damage 4786.03m in 100h                
Total runic power used: 2597760 (170 wasted)                  
Threat Per Second 8904                 
Generated in 94s                 
Template: 2HUnholyTest                 
Priority: UnholyPriority                 
Presence: Unholy                 
Sigil: HangedMan                 
RuneEnchant: FallenCrusader                 
Pet Calculation: True                 
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Ability Damage done    hits   Crits   Misses  Glances   Uptime
 Total % # Avg # % Avg # % Avg # Avg # % Avg %
MainHand 1071241216 22.6 176610 8159.8 64792 35.6 4587.6 66491 36.5 9450.8 5638 3.1 45327 24.9 3212.4
ScourgeStrike 467727503 9.8 53122 8804.8 30620 55.9 5559.5 22502 41.1 13220.8 1660 3
Ghoul 459445120 9.7 390555 1578.6 238976 59.9 1112.9 52071 13 2226.9 8702 2.2 99508 24.9 779.2
DeathCoil 327191510 6.9 40854 8008.8 25819 60.8 5764.3 15035 35.4 11863.1 1626 3.8
BloodStrike 316739416 6.7 69653 4547.4 44288 61.6 3281 25365 35.3 6758.5 2200 3.1
FrostFever 295005998 6.2 107058 2755.6 107058 100 2755.6 99.1
ScourgeStrikeMagical 258096100 5.4 53122 4858.6 30620 57.6 3068 22502 42.4 7295.1
BloodPlague 247046969 5.2 107236 2303.8 107236 100 2303.8 99.7
Necrosis 208141279 4.4 176610 1178.5 176610 100
Gargoyle 199004141 4.2 38497 5169.3 33520 83.7 4577.9 4977 12.4 9152.8 1557 3.9
BryntrollHeroic 165524896 3.5 34588 4785.6 34588 96.2 4785.6 1351 3.8
BloodCakedBlade 162311164 3.4 51576 3147 51576 96.9 3147 1662 3.1
Ghoul: Claw 157467964 3.3 90370 1742.5 78519 85 1669.5 11851 12.8 2226.2 2058 2.2
WanderingPlague 146573930 3.1 58214 2517.8 58214 96.4 2161 3.6
PlagueStrike 102921244 2.2 18504 5562.1 10633 55.9 3506.6 7871 41.4 8338.9 519 2.7
IcyTouch 94503504 2 18514 5104.4 11614 60.5 3660.6 6900 35.9 7534.7 692 3.6
Army of the Dead 37093772 .8 257299 144.2 223085 85 142.8 34214 13 153 5284 2
UnholyBlight 32720522 .7 40854 800.9 40854 100
DPS 13191(+/- 2694)                 
Total Damage 4748.76m in 100h                
Total runic power used: 1822680 (311560 wasted)                  
Threat Per Second 9063                 
Generated in 91s                 
Template: 2HUnholy                 
Priority: UnholyPriority                 
Presence: Blood                 
Sigil: HangedMan                 
RuneEnchant: FallenCrusader                 
Pet Calculation: True                 

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Old 06/17/10, 8:54 PM   #3419
Diello
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Human Death Knight
 
Cenarion Circle
Doc, can you talk a bit about your current setup? You're ArP gemmed and running 2H Frost?

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Old 06/18/10, 10:49 AM   #3420
Mericet
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Draenei Hunter
 
Kargath
Winning aoe fights against "the other DKs" means nothing. They might have worse gear, or not be playing as well, for example. In an aoe rotation there are free GCDs because of D&D costing 3 runes and providing less RP per rune, and increasing all your damage by 15% will blow away 15% haste for you and your ghoul on 1 of the targets. I still suspect there's something fishy going on with the numbers for the single target test, but for aoe there is zero possible room for doubt.

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Old 06/18/10, 4:23 PM   #3421
kc102
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Human Death Knight
 
Anvilmar
I'm fine with nerfing my AoE damage. If I need to, I can always jump over to Frost.
@Mericet
I ran your gear, and the Unholy Pres came out on top, but not by much.

Running in Unholy Pres w/ Imp Unholy Pres
Ability Damage done    hits   Crits   Misses  Glances   Uptime
 Total % # Avg # % Avg # % Avg # Avg # % Avg %
MainHand 1299194850 24.1 198453 8811.6 70356 34.3 4910.1 77086 37.6 10100 6415 3.1 51011 24.9 3433.9
Ghoul 625860077 11.6 487546 1716.7 300506 61 1216.1 64058 13 2431.4 4691 1 122982 25 851.1
ScourgeStrike 527053363 9.8 59822 8810.4 33859 54.8 5517.7 25963 42.1 13104.4 1909 3.1
DeathCoil 439344547 8.1 60549 7256 37558 60.7 5174.6 22991 37.1 10656.2 1345 2.2
BloodStrike 354411989 6.6 77783 4556.4 48550 60.5 3260.9 29233 36.4 6708 2508 3.1
FrostFever 280266263 5.2 111872 2505.2 111872 100 2505.2 99.5
Gargoyle 259137512 4.8 48401 5354 42119 85 4740.1 6282 12.7 9470.1 1136 2.3
ScourgeStrikeMagical 253816394 4.7 59822 4242.9 33859 56.6 2657.6 25963 43.4 6310.2
Necrosis 252430897 4.7 198453 1272 198453 100
BloodPlague 234707012 4.4 112005 2095.5 112005 100 2095.5 99.9
BloodCakedBlade 194334216 3.6 57683 3369 57683 96.8 3369 1911 3.2
Ghoul: Claw 172046350 3.2 90507 1900.9 78636 86 1821.6 11871 13 2426.2 933 1
WanderingPlague 140993220 2.6 61495 2292.8 61495 97.9 1346 2.1
PlagueStrike 115573555 2.1 20431 5656.8 11490 54.6 3525.8 8941 42.5 8395.3 602 2.9
IcyTouch 94518002 1.8 20298 4656.5 12488 60.2 3310.6 7810 37.7 6808.6 432 2.1
Shadowmourne 58198688 1.1 18031 3227.7 18031 97.6 3227.7 447 2.4 97.1
Army of the Dead 48652158 .9 332763 146.2 289059 86 142.7 43704 13 169.6 3295 1
UnholyBlight 43935194 .8 60549 725.6 60549 100
DPS 14985(+/- 3063)                 
Total Damage 5394.47m in 100h                
Total runic power used: 2599180 (165 wasted)                  
Threat Per Second 9979                 
Generated in 104s                 
Template: 2HUnholyTest                 
Priority: UnholyPriority                 
Presence: Unholy                 
Sigil: HangedMan                 
RuneEnchant: FallenCrusader                 
Pet Calculation: True                 

Standard Unholy spec, Blood Pres
Ability Damage done    hits   Crits   Misses  Glances   Uptime
 Total % # Avg # % Avg # % Avg # Avg # % Avg %
MainHand 1311447580 24.4 172053 10258.7 60958 34.3 5715.6 66879 37.6 11755.8 5593 3.1 44216 24.9 3999.1
ScourgeStrike 547404343 10.2 53272 10275.6 30118 54.8 6429.7 23154 42.1 15278.3 1702 3.1
Ghoul 536743004 10 420001 1708.3 258977 61.1 1210.4 55220 13 2421.3 4064 1 105804 24.9 846.7
BloodStrike 371595898 6.9 70013 5307.5 43682 60.4 3798.4 26331 36.4 7811.2 2257 3.1
DeathCoil 365215106 6.8 43277 8439 26899 60.8 6028.5 16378 37 12397.9 972 2.2
FrostFever 310540603 5.8 107081 2900.1 107081 100 2900.1 99.2
ScourgeStrikeMagical 302028772 5.6 53272 5669.6 30118 56.5 3547.8 23154 43.5 8429.4
BloodPlague 261993596 4.9 107507 2437 107507 100 2437 99.7
Necrosis 254799497 4.7 172053 1480.9 172053 100
Gargoyle 228858571 4.3 42943 5329.4 37407 85.1 4719.4 5536 12.6 9450.6 1036 2.4
BloodCakedBlade 196690986 3.7 50182 3919.6 50182 96.8 3919.6 1660 3.2
Ghoul: Claw 171263509 3.2 90490 1892.6 78621 86 1813.2 11869 13 2418.5 933 1
WanderingPlague 157678952 2.9 59457 2652 59457 97.9 1299 2.1
PlagueStrike 121262117 2.3 18511 6550.8 10523 55.3 4109.1 7988 41.9 9767.5 535 2.8
IcyTouch 100048324 1.9 18542 5395.8 11416 60.3 3842.1 7126 37.6 7884.7 385 2
Shadowmourne 64478131 1.2 17077 3775.7 17077 97.8 3775.7 376 2.2 96.8
Army of the Dead 44629021 .8 289331 154.2 251445 86.1 151.9 37886 13 170 2756 .9
UnholyBlight 36514906 .7 43277 843.7 43277 100
DPS 14953(+/- 3090)                 
Total Damage 5383.19m in 100h                
Total runic power used: 1893440 (250985 wasted)                  
Threat Per Second 10218                 
Generated in 75s                 
Template: 2HUnholy                 
Priority: UnholyPriority                 
Presence: Blood                 
Sigil: HangedMan                 
RuneEnchant: FallenCrusader                 
Pet Calculation: True                 

Same as above, except prioritizing DC over BS
Ability Damage done    hits   Crits   Misses  Glances   Uptime
 Total % # Avg # % Avg # % Avg # Avg # % Avg %
MainHand 1307093528 24.3 172046 10225 61067 34.4 5701.8 66766 37.6 11721.4 5593 3.1 44213 24.9 3987.7
ScourgeStrike 547205562 10.2 53323 10262.1 30125 54.7 6423.7 23198 42.2 15246.7 1702 3.1
Ghoul 536086466 10 420184 1705.5 259089 61.1 1208.3 55240 13 2417.2 4064 1 105855 25 845.5
DeathCoil 423848510 7.9 50323 8422.6 31219 60.7 6010.1 19104 37.1 12365 1126 2.2
FrostFever 313051430 5.8 108131 2895.1 108131 100 2895.1 99.1
BloodStrike 306141286 5.7 57893 5288.1 36187 60.5 3787.1 21706 36.3 7790.4 1875 3.1
ScourgeStrikeMagical 301416953 5.6 53323 5652.7 30125 56.5 3538.5 23198 43.5 8398.2
BloodPlague 263495020 4.9 108572 2426.9 108572 100 2426.9 99.7
Necrosis 253952824 4.7 172046 1476.1 172046 100
Gargoyle 223098769 4.2 42058 5304.6 36632 85 4699.1 5426 12.6 9392 1014 2.4
BloodCakedBlade 196072854 3.7 50182 3907.2 50182 96.8 3907.2 1658 3.2
Ghoul: Claw 170916788 3.2 90479 1889 78612 86 1809.7 11867 13 2414.3 932 1
WanderingPlague 158235108 2.9 59823 2645.1 59823 97.9 1309 2.1
PlagueStrike 121162811 2.3 18513 6544.7 10473 55 4092.1 8040 42.2 9739.6 535 2.8
IcyTouch 99771944 1.9 18533 5383.5 11430 60.4 3833.9 7103 37.5 7877 385 2
Shadowmourne 62058617 1.2 16450 3772.6 16450 97.7 3772.6 385 2.3 96.8
Army of the Dead 44434643 .8 289275 153.6 251273 86 150.8 38002 13 172.2 2840 1
UnholyBlight 42376874 .8 50323 842.1 50323 100
DPS 14918(+/- 3040)                 
Total Damage 5370.42m in 100h                
Total runic power used: 2181320 (0 wasted)                  
Threat Per Second 10204                 
Generated in 78s                 
Template: 2HUnholy                 
Priority: UnholyPriority                 
Presence: Blood                 
Sigil: HangedMan                 
RuneEnchant: FallenCrusader                 
Pet Calculation: True                 


Perhaps there's something wrong with the way Kahorie's handles Unholy Presence, or Imp. Unholy Pres?
Priority is BP > FF > Deso > SS > BS > DC > HoW

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Old 06/19/10, 11:04 AM   #3422
Sonustor
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Lightbringer
DW Unholy

Was playing with Unholy specs in the sim, and figured I'd try a DW build for whatever reason. Interesting results...

First I tried it with my exact gear as listed on armory. Swapping my 2 1 handers for Shadow's Edge and H WFS for War Token. With 20% buff and no additional runic power, result was :

Unholy 2H Current Gear
Ability Damage done    hits   Crits   Misses  Glances   Uptime
 Total % # Avg # % Avg # % Avg # Avg # % Avg %
Melee 1151903392 23.5 170444 9117.1 59206 33.7 5049.4 67139 38.2 10385 5344 3 44099 25.1 3531
ScourgeStrike 773502486 15.8 53457 14469.6 29616 54.6 8970.1 23841 43.9 21301.2 832 1.5
Ghoul 644190034 13.1 303613 3254.3 165024 53.4 2507.5 32926 10.7 4479.9 5520 1.8 105663 34.2 784.5
DeathCoil 397522867 8.1 50112 7932.7 30377 58.3 5600.1 19735 37.9 11523 1956 3.8
BloodStrike 343844524 7 71618 4801.1 44302 60 3421.4 27316 37 7038.7 2177 3
FrostFever 289016309 5.9 108525 2663.1 108525 100 2663.1 99.1
BloodPlague 241465225 4.9 108584 2223.8 108584 100 2223.8 99.6
Necrosis 223770170 4.6 170444 1312.9 170444 100
Gargoyle 211623155 4.3 42950 4927.2 37362 83.6 4360.9 5588 12.5 8713.5 1762 3.9
BloodCakedBlade 171332848 3.5 49536 3458.8 49536 97.1 3458.8 1475 2.9
WanderingPlague 149803519 3.1 61628 2430.8 61628 96.1 2471 3.9
PlagueStrike 108819061 2.2 18513 5878 10312 54 3648.4 8201 43 8681.5 575 3
IcyTouch 92208742 1.9 18536 4974.6 11553 60 3559.1 6983 36.2 7316.4 729 3.8
Army of the Dead 41478654 .8 288699 143.7 250902 85.1 141.6 37797 12.8 157.1 6121 2.1
UnholyBlight 39743416 .8 50112 793.1 50112 100
Saronite Bomb 15244352 .3 6172 2469.9 6172 100 2469.9
Global Thermal Sapper Charge 11565275 .2 2057 5622.4 1279 62.2 4513.9 778 37.8 7444.7
DPS 13631(+/- 2741)                 
Total Damage 4907.03m in 100h                
Total runic power used: 2206140 (1115 wasted)                  
Threat Per Second 8967                 
Generated in 40s                 
Template: Unholy 00-17-54                 
Priority: Unholy                 
Presence: Blood                 
Sigil: Virulence                 
RuneEnchant: FallenCrusader                 
Pet Calculation: True                 

So I tried a Dualwield Spec of Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft Basically just swapping 3 points in Black Ice to Nerves of Cold Steel. Changed weapons to Havoc's Call mainhand, heroic Gutbuster offhand. Result was:

Unholy DW Current Gear
Ability Damage done    hits   Crits   Misses  Glances   Uptime
 Total % # Avg # % Avg # % Avg # Avg # % Avg %
Melee 1555903783 31 420274 5315.3 86197 16.9 2581.6 206526 40.5 5335.6 89489 17.6 127551 25 1814.5
Ghoul 634457131 12.6 313187 3087.9 172036 54.9 2386.4 33428 10.7 4283.1 107723 34.4 749.5
ScourgeStrike 553208448 11 53484 10343.4 28427 52.9 6290.7 25057 46.6 14941.3 236 .4
DeathCoil 384281910 7.6 51269 7495.4 30951 58.9 5284 20318 38.7 10864.1 1281 2.4
Necrosis 302287996 6 210137 1438.5 210137 100
FrostFever 269479856 5.4 107789 2500.1 107789 100 2500.1 99.4
BloodStrike 248182788 4.9 35990 6895.9 21452 59.1 4832.7 14538 40.1 9940.3 298 .8
BloodPlague 225130688 4.5 107943 2085.6 107943 100 2085.6 99.9
BloodCakedBlade 222795239 4.4 62758 3550.1 62758 99.5 3550.1 292 .5
Gargoyle 217974022 4.3 45388 4802.5 39502 84.8 4250.7 5886 12.6 8505.7 1176 2.5
WanderingPlague 145983655 2.9 64042 2279.5 64042 97.5 1636 2.5
IcyTouch 86936149 1.7 18516 4695.2 11487 60.5 3352 7029 37 6890.3 485 2.6
PlagueStrike 75415543 1.5 9256 8147.7 4946 53 4962.2 4310 46.2 11803.4 80 .9
Army of the Dead 39918271 .8 297395 134.2 259315 87.2 131.9 38080 12.8 150.1
UnholyBlight 38441078 .8 51269 749.8 51269 100
Saronite Bomb 15244572 .3 6172 2470 6172 100 2470
Global Thermal Sapper Charge 11457078 .2 2057 5569.8 1239 60.2 4514.3 818 39.8 7168.6
DPS 13964(+/- 2765)                 
Total Damage 5027.1m in 100h                
Total runic power used: 2225480 (70 wasted)                  
Threat Per Second 9245                 
Generated in 48s                 
Template: 00-17-54 Unholy DW                 
Priority: Unholy                 
Presence: Blood                 
Sigil: Virulence                 
RuneEnchant: FallenCrusader / FallenCrusader                
Pet Calculation: True                 

Hmmm.... I says to myself! It must be because I have a 271 mainhand and Threat of Thassarian is covering for the fact that I have terrible hit rating. So I tried it with 2 bis-ish setups.

2h setup used: Profiler - Wowhead

Results:

Unholy 2h BiS
Ability Damage done    hits   Crits   Misses  Glances   Uptime
 Total % # Avg # % Avg # % Avg # Avg # % Avg %
Melee 1225004915 23.1 187226 8847.7 64483 33.2 4886 73971 38 10047.5 7264 3.7 48772 25.1 3418.4
ScourgeStrike 790015197 14.9 53424 14787.6 29674 54.5 9178.1 23750 43.6 21796.4 1007 1.9
Ghoul 686041836 12.9 314068 3330.4 172476 54.9 2573.5 33518 10.7 4618.7 108074 34.4 808.4
DeathCoil 417348977 7.9 51502 8103.5 31296 60.1 5730.7 20206 38.8 11778.7 589 1.1
BloodStrike 351229174 6.6 71576 4907.1 44366 59.8 3500 27210 36.6 7201.4 2673 3.6
FrostFever 296569160 5.6 108339 2737.4 108339 100 2737.4 99.2
BloodPlague 248316670 4.7 108625 2286 108625 100 2286 99.6
Necrosis 237992858 4.5 187226 1271.2 187226 100
Gargoyle 226352994 4.3 44550 5080.9 38775 86 4497.2 5775 12.8 8999.9 544 1.2
BloodCakedBlade 180933002 3.4 54055 3347.2 54055 96.4 3347.2 2002 3.6
BryntrollHeroic 176904176 3.3 36973 4784.7 36973 98.8 4784.7 452 1.2
WanderingPlague 152798620 2.9 61194 2497 61194 98.9 693 1.1
PlagueStrike 111410345 2.1 18514 6017.6 10348 53.8 3741.9 8166 42.5 8901.4 708 3.7
IcyTouch 94684729 1.8 18565 5100.2 11568 61.5 3642.1 6997 37.2 7510.8 231 1.2
Army of the Dead 43668299 .8 300451 145.3 262039 87.2 142.5 38412 12.8 164.9
UnholyBlight 41740709 .8 51502 810.5 51502 100
Saronite Bomb 15243815 .3 6172 2469.8 6172 100 2469.8
Global Thermal Sapper Charge 11532505 .2 2057 5606.5 1290 62.7 4513.6 767 37.3 7444.6
DPS 14744(+/- 3059)                 
Total Damage 5307.79m in 100h                
Total runic power used: 2207000 (1820 wasted)                  
Threat Per Second 9727                 
Generated in 38s                 
Template: Unholy 00-17-54                 
Priority: Unholy                 
Presence: Blood                 
Sigil: Virulence                 
RuneEnchant: FallenCrusader                 
Pet Calculation: True                 

DW setup used: Profiler - Wowhead

Results:

Unholy DW BiS
Ability Damage done    hits   Crits   Misses  Glances   Uptime
 Total % # Avg # % Avg # % Avg # Avg # % Avg %
Melee 1730371355 31.9 428945 5765.9 91632 17.8 2834.6 208472 40.5 5829.4 85457 16.6 128841 25 1982
Ghoul 662896152 12.2 316222 3197.7 173554 54.9 2470 33749 10.7 4436.2 108919 34.4 775.9
ScourgeStrike 595031370 11 53455 11131.4 28428 52.4 6772.7 25027 46.1 16082.5 806 1.5
DeathCoil 402564144 7.4 52241 7705.9 31745 60.8 5445.3 20496 39.2 11207.2
Necrosis 336222922 6.2 214472 1567.7 214472 100
FrostFever 280378912 5.2 108111 2593.4 108111 100 2593.4 99.3
BloodStrike 266590894 4.9 35888 7428.4 21369 57.8 5203.5 14519 39.3 10703 1057 2.9
BloodCakedBlade 242953783 4.5 62538 3884.9 62538 97.1 3884.9 1840 2.9
Gargoyle 236888027 4.4 47494 4987.7 41330 87 4413.9 6164 13 8835.5
BloodPlague 234518201 4.3 108501 2161.4 108501 100 2161.4 99.7
WanderingPlague 151197376 2.8 64017 2361.8 64017 100
IcyTouch 89705645 1.7 18544 4837.4 11550 62.3 3464.8 6994 37.7 7104.2
PlagueStrike 81671580 1.5 9258 8821.7 4924 51.6 5368.9 4334 45.5 12744.6 277 2.9
Army of the Dead 41901055 .8 302363 138.6 263685 87.2 135.9 38678 12.8 157
UnholyBlight 40263064 .7 52241 770.7 52241 100
Saronite Bomb 15243116 .3 6172 2469.7 6172 100 2469.7
Global Thermal Sapper Charge 11475616 .2 2057 5578.8 1232 59.9 4515 825 40.1 7167.4
DPS 15055(+/- 2994)                 
Total Damage 5419.87m in 100h                
Total runic power used: 2213120 (1090 wasted)                  
Threat Per Second 10008                 
Generated in 48s                 
Template: 00-17-54 Unholy DW                 
Priority: Unholy                 
Presence: Blood                 
Sigil: Virulence                 
RuneEnchant: FallenCrusader / FallenCrusader                
Pet Calculation: True                 

If this is accurate/holds up in live testing, Dual Wield may actually be the way to go at some point of gear assuming no Shadowmourne.
Sooooo... Can anyone reproduce this? Feel free to point it out if I've done something retarded that would explain this as well.

Edit: Looking over the damage breakdown, Dual wield tests are showing higher averages on Plague Strikes and Blood Strikes by a fair margin. Something seems off there.

Edit 2: It's double the average damage listed because I had merge strikes checked. Doesn't seem to be out of line when I unmerge strikes. Think it's just being difficult, don't believe it's more than a display bug on averages. Not looking like that has skewed the results at all.

Also, just tried it with a rotation rather than priority, and the results were all within 30 dps of my original numbers, so doubt that makes a difference.

Edit 3: Also, I misnamed the stupid templates. Fixing it

Edit 4: Yes. Another one. Meant Nerves of Cold Steel. Typed Threat of Thassarian.

Last edited by Sonustor : 06/19/10 at 12:09 PM.

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Old 06/19/10, 11:44 AM   #3423
Consider
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Dragonblight
You can't swap 3 points from Black Ice into Threat of Thaussarian. At first, I assumed you meant Nerves of Cold Steel, which is what you took in the linked build, but then that doesn't explain the BS/PS average numbers. You screwed up somewhere.

Also, a minor issue, but the number of saronite bombs/sapper charges does not line up between the two specs, which really makes no sense. There's no reason they shouldn't. That doesn't majorly affect your results, and it's likely a sim issue as opposed to a personal error, but still.

There's also the fact that the number of SS/DC/Etcetera are all higher for the DW sim instead of the 2H sim. With the same rotation, once again, there's no reason they should be different.

All in all, you and/or the sim messed up, more than once down the line, and thus your results are inaccurate.
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As to imp UP up there, what was the latency set to? It shouldn't be wasting that much RP normally, even with BS prioritized. Also, what talent did you sacrifice for IUP? It obviously wasn't Necrosis or BCB, and some quick math shows it couldn't have been BI or Desolation.
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In general, if you're going to provide a sim to prove/disprove a spec, please turn off the ICC buff. It's pointless to have on in such a scenario, and just makes it more difficult for people to find where you (likely!) went wrong.

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Old 06/19/10, 11:59 AM   #3424
Sonustor
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Lightbringer
Yeah, sorry meant Nerves of Cold Steel. But without changing the rotation or runic power input, I can't see how total strike numbers would change. I'll mess around with it more.

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Old 06/19/10, 12:06 PM   #3425
Consider
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Dragonblight
If you don't have ToT, then the average BS/PS should be lower in the DW sim, just like every other strike. Thus even ignoring the total number of strikes, you still messed up - if you can unmerge BS/PS, that means you specced into ToT, and if you say you didn't, then there should be nothing to unmerge, and the average should be lower. Glaringly obvious flaw.

As much as I'm happy to shoot stuff down, people really should double-check their own sims before they post them!

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