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06/10/10, 7:55 AM
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#3401
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Glass Joe
Gnome Death Knight
Frostwolf
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It is still viable to re-direct army/gargoyle when the regular ghoul is around. While having defensive stance, simply make them all follow then attack the intended target. So default keybinds CTRL + 2 then CTRL + 1 very quickly. I recently managed this at heroic Lich King.
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06/10/10, 8:21 AM
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#3402
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Death Knight
Outland (EU)
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Originally Posted by ent0r
Hi, sorry to butt in, we are doing Putricide HM 25 Progressand I have a question:
How do I "aim" AotD at the green ooz? My Problem is, that they sometimes simply switch to putricide, despite the green ooze being closer, me having no diseases on Putricide, I even frostfevered the green ooze before pulling out the army.
(we are waiting for the Gaseous Bloat to spawn initiating the phase change, since our DPS is not consistent high enough, and because of energy issues on the abomination despite revitalize, and therefore I have time to spare)
Rarely they do stick to the green ooze, but I am at a loss what I am doing wrong.
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If you raid as unholy you can just pull back pet and then send it to attack the green ooze (army should follow).
If you're frost you must first attack the ooze (in some way), and summon after, so they will go on the ooze as its last target you attacked and not PP (your old target)
-edit didnt realise there were so many responses already, delete if deemed superfluous-
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06/10/10, 11:52 AM
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#3403
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Glass Joe
Undead Death Knight
Runetotem (EU)
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About pet control, I am unable to control the Gargoyle in the LK encounter. I wish to pop it during phase transitions to have full dps on the raging spirits, but I manage to have it attack only the first raging, then it flies away and keeps attacking the LK. Probably the LK generates aggro on it through his Pain and Suffering attack and the Gargoyle after it's primary target is dead just follows threat table. There is no way to control it then?
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06/10/10, 8:29 PM
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#3404
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Glass Joe
Human Death Knight
Aerie Peak
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Rune of Lichbane
I haven't seen this topic being talked about yet, but wouldn't Rune of Lichbane be viable in ICC? 4% extra weapon damage to everything seems to be a lot.
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06/10/10, 9:18 PM
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#3405
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Great Tiger
Orc Death Knight
Blutkessel (EU)
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Originally Posted by Angelababy
I haven't seen this topic being talked about yet, but wouldn't Rune of Lichbane be viable in ICC? 4% extra weapon damage to everything seems to be a lot.
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It's based on unmodifed weapon damage (and it does only work on autoattacks). The extra damage does not scale at all and is very crappy.
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06/11/10, 8:52 AM
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#3406
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Von Kaiser
Orc Death Knight
Stormreaver (EU)
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Originally Posted by bsolar
About pet control, I am unable to control the Gargoyle in the LK encounter. I wish to pop it during phase transitions to have full dps on the raging spirits, but I manage to have it attack only the first raging, then it flies away and keeps attacking the LK. Probably the LK generates aggro on it through his Pain and Suffering attack and the Gargoyle after it's primary target is dead just follows threat table. There is no way to control it then?
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Make a macro with:
/petfollow
/petattack
Using this makes your Gargoyle start attacking your current target. Though the Gargoyle might instantly swap back to LK because of Pain and Suffering.
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06/11/10, 1:25 PM
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#3407
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Glass Joe
Human Death Knight
Sargeras
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Originally Posted by bsolar
About pet control, I am unable to control the Gargoyle in the LK encounter. I wish to pop it during phase transitions to have full dps on the raging spirits, but I manage to have it attack only the first raging, then it flies away and keeps attacking the LK. Probably the LK generates aggro on it through his Pain and Suffering attack and the Gargoyle after it's primary target is dead just follows threat table. There is no way to control it then?
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Put your pets on passive for the duration of the transition phase and manually instruct them to attack raging spirits.
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06/11/10, 8:38 PM
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#3408
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Von Kaiser
Orc Death Knight
Stormreaver (EU)
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Originally Posted by Kaeori
Put your pets on passive for the duration of the transition phase and manually instruct them to attack raging spirits.
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That works for your ghoul, but Gargoyle doesn't quite work like that. The only way to control it that I've heard of is to /petfollow and then /petattack.
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06/16/10, 12:43 AM
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#3409
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Glass Joe
Draenei Death Knight
Darkmoon Faire (EU)
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I have a problem between the last pestilence in the aoe rotation and the DnD...Sometimes, waiting time is 1/2 sec , sometimes 19/20 seconds.I feel always useless when i have to wait such a long time. I find this strange because i didn't have this problem before, this occur since three weeks. I tried to change the rotation , but it's always a huge lose in dps...So i continue...i tried to understand it , but i fail...If someone have any answer , i will be very happy because that make me really crazy  Thank you ...
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06/16/10, 3:26 AM
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#3410
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Glass Joe
Human Death Knight
Elune (EU)
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Hmmm, maybe because you don't have Morbidity 2/3 (or more)? You use Pestilence every 20 seconds, but D&D has a 30 seconds CD. You can't use the rotation given by Consider if you don't have Morbidity. 
You should use a priority system (PS>IT>D&D>Desolation>BB>SS>BS or smth like that).
Last edited by Vhaeraun : 06/17/10 at 3:19 PM.
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06/17/10, 2:08 PM
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#3411
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Glass Joe
Dwarf Paladin
Dethecus (EU)
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What I don't get regarding expertise is the following. Assuming a BS,SS or PS is dodged, even if I have GCDs to spare, doesn't it mean, that my runes get activated (at least) one GCD later, hence come up a GCD later, which could add up over time, so overall I would be able to use the respective abilities less often?
One has to consider SS and BS seperatly of course. Since SS damage/GCD is way better than anything, the above scenario would always be bad. When it comes to BS you basically only 'need' it to refresh desolation and to gain runepower (if you have not enough other sources like AMS), so there it might be no problem.
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06/17/10, 3:02 PM
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#3412
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Piston Honda
Blood Elf Death Knight
Bladefist
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Originally Posted by fiveop
What I don't get regarding expertise is the following. Assuming a BS,SS or PS is dodged, even if I have GCDs to spare, doesn't it mean, that my runes get activated (at least) one GCD later, hence come up a GCD later, which could add up over time, so overall I would be able to use the respective abilities less often?
One has to consider SS and BS seperatly of course. Since SS damage/GCD is way better than anything, the above scenario would always be bad. When it comes to BS you basically only 'need' it to refresh desolation and to gain runepower (if you have not enough other sources like AMS), so there it might be no problem.
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I could be mistaken, because I haven't been dodged in a while, but I believe that dodges and parries act like misses do - your rune does NOT get swallowed, but it does get activated for about .5 sec, as does your GCD timer. Pretty sure that all gets offset by the rune grace period. So, really, the answer is "NO" - neither your rune nor your GCD is fully used when you are dodged. That's why it doesn't matter as much with unholy - you can basically re-hit the dodged attack immediately, and unholy usually has extra GCD's open so it doesn't make a huge difference.
Last edited by Yubble : 06/17/10 at 3:14 PM.
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06/17/10, 3:21 PM
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#3413
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Glass Joe
Gnome Death Knight
Aerie Peak
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Originally Posted by Yubble
I could be mistaken, because I haven't been dodged in a while, but I believe that dodges and parries act like misses do - your rune does NOT get swallowed, but it does get activated for about .5 sec, as does your GCD timer. Pretty sure that all gets offset by the rune grace period. So, really, the answer is "NO" - neither your rune nor your GCD is fully used when you are dodged. That's why it doesn't matter as much with unholy - you can basically re-hit the dodged attack immediately, and unholy usually has extra GCD's open so it doesn't make a huge difference.
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Yup, runes do not get used on dodge/parry/miss. Worst case scenario, you don't use a blood strike(if you have a SS dodged or miss) so you'll have a blood rune that isn't used for a half rotation. It's not an issue since the SS is obviously the more powerful of the 2 attacks, so the difference is negligible.
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06/17/10, 4:41 PM
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#3414
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Von Kaiser
Human Death Knight
Anvilmar
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Viable DPS in Unholy presence? As strange as it sounds, I'm getting higher numbers (about 100 dps) using this spec.
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
And this gear...
The World of Warcraft Armory - Frozensanity @ Anvilmar - Profile
Note: The weapon I'm simming with is h Bryntroll. I'm not having Kahorie's sim give me any RP for comparing against the cookie-cutter unholy build, but giving 100RP every 15 seconds makes this spec almost better then the Frost build I've been running (Comparing with Frost build having the same RP-gen).
I know people have been posting about the occasional Unholy Pres build, but this one seems to actually provide the higher numbers. Priority is Diseases > Desolation > SS > BS > DC > HoW
If someone could run the spec, and leme know if this works for them too, that'd be awesome. Also, here's the numbers.
| Ability | Damage done | | | | hits | | | Crits | | | Misses | | Glances | | | Uptime | | | | Total | % | # | Avg | # | % | Avg | # | % | Avg | # | Avg | # | % | Avg | % | | | MainHand | 1062204895 | 22.2 | 204080 | 7002.7 | 74920 | 35.6 | 3937 | 76765 | 36.5 | 8113 | 6505 | 3.1 | 52395 | 24.9 | 2756.9 | | | | Ghoul | 533206207 | 11.1 | 451407 | 1585.1 | 276128 | 59.8 | 1117.2 | 60264 | 13.1 | 2235.9 | 10124 | 2.2 | 115015 | 24.9 | 782.2 | | | | ScourgeStrike | 451371755 | 9.4 | 59772 | 7551.6 | 34455 | 55.9 | 4768 | 25317 | 41.1 | 11339.8 | 1865 | 3 | | | | | | | DeathCoil | 409281481 | 8.6 | 59555 | 6872.3 | 37565 | 60.7 | 4938.4 | 21990 | 35.5 | 10176 | 2302 | 3.7 | | | | | | | BloodStrike | 303633538 | 6.3 | 77805 | 3902.5 | 49524 | 61.7 | 2817.2 | 28281 | 35.2 | 5803 | 2453 | 3.1 | | | | | | | FrostFever | 265562390 | 5.5 | 111708 | 2377.3 | 111708 | 100 | 2377.3 | | | | | | | | | 99.5 | | | Gargoyle | 235360945 | 4.9 | 45488 | 5174.1 | 39594 | 83.7 | 4581 | 5894 | 12.5 | 9158.9 | 1820 | 3.8 | | | | | | | BloodPlague | 222055829 | 4.6 | 111959 | 1983.4 | 111959 | 100 | 1983.4 | | | | | | | | | 99.9 | | | ScourgeStrikeMagical | 217376924 | 4.5 | 59772 | 3636.8 | 34455 | 57.6 | 2296.1 | 25317 | 42.4 | 5461.3 | | | | | | | | | Necrosis | 206371591 | 4.3 | 204080 | 1011.2 | 204080 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | BryntrollHeroic | 161678179 | 3.4 | 39502 | 4092.9 | 39502 | 96.3 | 4092.9 | | | | 1534 | 3.7 | | | | | | | BloodCakedBlade | 160633926 | 3.4 | 59421 | 2703.3 | 59421 | 96.9 | 2703.3 | | | | 1910 | 3.1 | | | | | | | Ghoul: Claw | 158132752 | 3.3 | 90398 | 1749.3 | 78546 | 85 | 1676 | 11852 | 12.8 | 2235.2 | 2059 | 2.2 | | | | | | | WanderingPlague | 131226338 | 2.7 | 60230 | 2178.8 | 60230 | 96.4 | | | | | 2232 | 3.6 | | | | | | | PlagueStrike | 97764014 | 2 | 20425 | 4786.5 | 11693 | 55.7 | 3014 | 8732 | 41.6 | 7160.1 | 584 | 2.8 | | | | | | | IcyTouch | 89074728 | 1.9 | 20285 | 4391.2 | 12765 | 60.6 | 3153.2 | 7520 | 35.7 | 6492.5 | 766 | 3.6 | | | | | | | UnholyBlight | 40913042 | .9 | 59555 | 687 | 59555 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | Army of the Dead | 40177254 | .8 | 297219 | 135.2 | 257701 | 84.8 | 132.8 | 39518 | 13 | 150.9 | 6498 | 2.1 | | | | | | | DPS | 13294(+/- 2548) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Total Damage | 4786.03m | in 100h | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Total runic power used: 2597760 (170 wasted) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Threat Per Second | 8904 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Generated in | 92s | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Template: | 2HUnholyTest | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Priority: | UnholyPriority | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Presence: | Unholy | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Sigil: | HangedMan | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | RuneEnchant: | FallenCrusader | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Pet Calculation: | True | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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| Ability | Damage done | | | | hits | | | Crits | | | Misses | | Glances | | | Uptime | | | | Total | % | # | Avg | # | % | Avg | # | % | Avg | # | Avg | # | % | Avg | % | | | MainHand | 1071241216 | 22.6 | 176610 | 8159.8 | 64792 | 35.6 | 4587.6 | 66491 | 36.5 | 9450.8 | 5638 | 3.1 | 45327 | 24.9 | 3212.4 | | | | ScourgeStrike | 467727503 | 9.8 | 53122 | 8804.8 | 30620 | 55.9 | 5559.5 | 22502 | 41.1 | 13220.8 | 1660 | 3 | | | | | | | Ghoul | 459445120 | 9.7 | 390555 | 1578.6 | 238976 | 59.9 | 1112.9 | 52071 | 13 | 2226.9 | 8702 | 2.2 | 99508 | 24.9 | 779.2 | | | | DeathCoil | 327191510 | 6.9 | 40854 | 8008.8 | 25819 | 60.8 | 5764.3 | 15035 | 35.4 | 11863.1 | 1626 | 3.8 | | | | | | | BloodStrike | 316739416 | 6.7 | 69653 | 4547.4 | 44288 | 61.6 | 3281 | 25365 | 35.3 | 6758.5 | 2200 | 3.1 | | | | | | | FrostFever | 295005998 | 6.2 | 107058 | 2755.6 | 107058 | 100 | 2755.6 | | | | | | | | | 99.1 | | | ScourgeStrikeMagical | 258096100 | 5.4 | 53122 | 4858.6 | 30620 | 57.6 | 3068 | 22502 | 42.4 | 7295.1 | | | | | | | | | BloodPlague | 247046969 | 5.2 | 107236 | 2303.8 | 107236 | 100 | 2303.8 | | | | | | | | | 99.7 | | | Necrosis | 208141279 | 4.4 | 176610 | 1178.5 | 176610 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | Gargoyle | 199004141 | 4.2 | 38497 | 5169.3 | 33520 | 83.7 | 4577.9 | 4977 | 12.4 | 9152.8 | 1557 | 3.9 | | | | | | | BryntrollHeroic | 165524896 | 3.5 | 34588 | 4785.6 | 34588 | 96.2 | 4785.6 | | | | 1351 | 3.8 | | | | | | | BloodCakedBlade | 162311164 | 3.4 | 51576 | 3147 | 51576 | 96.9 | 3147 | | | | 1662 | 3.1 | | | | | | | Ghoul: Claw | 157467964 | 3.3 | 90370 | 1742.5 | 78519 | 85 | 1669.5 | 11851 | 12.8 | 2226.2 | 2058 | 2.2 | | | | | | | WanderingPlague | 146573930 | 3.1 | 58214 | 2517.8 | 58214 | 96.4 | | | | | 2161 | 3.6 | | | | | | | PlagueStrike | 102921244 | 2.2 | 18504 | 5562.1 | 10633 | 55.9 | 3506.6 | 7871 | 41.4 | 8338.9 | 519 | 2.7 | | | | | | | IcyTouch | 94503504 | 2 | 18514 | 5104.4 | 11614 | 60.5 | 3660.6 | 6900 | 35.9 | 7534.7 | 692 | 3.6 | | | | | | | Army of the Dead | 37093772 | .8 | 257299 | 144.2 | 223085 | 85 | 142.8 | 34214 | 13 | 153 | 5284 | 2 | | | | | | | UnholyBlight | 32720522 | .7 | 40854 | 800.9 | 40854 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | DPS | 13191(+/- 2694) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Total Damage | 4748.76m | in 100h | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Total runic power used: 1822680 (311560 wasted) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Threat Per Second | 9063 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Generated in | 81s | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Template: | 2HUnholy | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Priority: | UnholyPriority | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Presence: | Blood | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Sigil: | HangedMan | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | RuneEnchant: | FallenCrusader | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Pet Calculation: | True | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
With Shadowmourne, I got 14177 with cc spec, and 14283 with this spec.
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06/17/10, 7:33 PM
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#3415
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Death Knight
Ursin
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There is something wrong with your sim, you didn't waste any RP on your test spec and the CC spec wasted alot more than it should. Run with a rotation instead of a priority.
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06/17/10, 8:07 PM
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#3416
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Piston Honda
Orc Death Knight
Thaurissan
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Originally Posted by Sh4d0wfury
There is something wrong with your sim, you didn't waste any RP on your test spec and the CC spec wasted alot more than it should. Run with a rotation instead of a priority.
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The sole reason those sims are coming out that way is because he's generating 100 additional RP every 15 seconds (rather unrealistic, consider that's about as much RP as you normally generate from strikes during that period). Which means the blood presence is majorly gcd constrained. Still the unholy presence build is only marginally more dps than the blood presence one. Running a reaping and/or GoD build should give you additional GCDs which might allow you to use more of the RP. Additionally, if you are GCD constrained then getting more spell hit and expertise can also increase your dps.
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06/17/10, 8:30 PM
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#3417
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Great Tiger
Orc Death Knight
Blutkessel (EU)
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Originally Posted by kc102
Viable DPS in Unholy presence? As strange as it sounds, I'm getting higher numbers (about 100 dps) using this spec.
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Highly unrealistic test setup and even the slightest bit of aoe damage would make the Blood Presence better by far.
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06/17/10, 8:32 PM
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#3418
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Von Kaiser
Human Death Knight
Anvilmar
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No, these are not running with 100 RP. No RP is being given. I just ran again. Made sure of no RP gen. Also, rotations are rather messy imo. Give me a good one and I'll try it out. BP is prioritized over FF. DC is under BS.
@AllCOM
I'm winning my AoE fights against the other DKs...
| Ability | Damage done | | | | hits | | | Crits | | | Misses | | Glances | | | Uptime | | | | Total | % | # | Avg | # | % | Avg | # | % | Avg | # | Avg | # | % | Avg | % | | | MainHand | 1062204895 | 22.2 | 204080 | 7002.7 | 74920 | 35.6 | 3937 | 76765 | 36.5 | 8113 | 6505 | 3.1 | 52395 | 24.9 | 2756.9 | | | | Ghoul | 533206207 | 11.1 | 451407 | 1585.1 | 276128 | 59.8 | 1117.2 | 60264 | 13.1 | 2235.9 | 10124 | 2.2 | 115015 | 24.9 | 782.2 | | | | ScourgeStrike | 451371755 | 9.4 | 59772 | 7551.6 | 34455 | 55.9 | 4768 | 25317 | 41.1 | 11339.8 | 1865 | 3 | | | | | | | DeathCoil | 409281481 | 8.6 | 59555 | 6872.3 | 37565 | 60.7 | 4938.4 | 21990 | 35.5 | 10176 | 2302 | 3.7 | | | | | | | BloodStrike | 303633538 | 6.3 | 77805 | 3902.5 | 49524 | 61.7 | 2817.2 | 28281 | 35.2 | 5803 | 2453 | 3.1 | | | | | | | FrostFever | 265562390 | 5.5 | 111708 | 2377.3 | 111708 | 100 | 2377.3 | | | | | | | | | 99.5 | | | Gargoyle | 235360945 | 4.9 | 45488 | 5174.1 | 39594 | 83.7 | 4581 | 5894 | 12.5 | 9158.9 | 1820 | 3.8 | | | | | | | BloodPlague | 222055829 | 4.6 | 111959 | 1983.4 | 111959 | 100 | 1983.4 | | | | | | | | | 99.9 | | | ScourgeStrikeMagical | 217376924 | 4.5 | 59772 | 3636.8 | 34455 | 57.6 | 2296.1 | 25317 | 42.4 | 5461.3 | | | | | | | | | Necrosis | 206371591 | 4.3 | 204080 | 1011.2 | 204080 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | BryntrollHeroic | 161678179 | 3.4 | 39502 | 4092.9 | 39502 | 96.3 | 4092.9 | | | | 1534 | 3.7 | | | | | | | BloodCakedBlade | 160633926 | 3.4 | 59421 | 2703.3 | 59421 | 96.9 | 2703.3 | | | | 1910 | 3.1 | | | | | | | Ghoul: Claw | 158132752 | 3.3 | 90398 | 1749.3 | 78546 | 85 | 1676 | 11852 | 12.8 | 2235.2 | 2059 | 2.2 | | | | | | | WanderingPlague | 131226338 | 2.7 | 60230 | 2178.8 | 60230 | 96.4 | | | | | 2232 | 3.6 | | | | | | | PlagueStrike | 97764014 | 2 | 20425 | 4786.5 | 11693 | 55.7 | 3014 | 8732 | 41.6 | 7160.1 | 584 | 2.8 | | | | | | | IcyTouch | 89074728 | 1.9 | 20285 | 4391.2 | 12765 | 60.6 | 3153.2 | 7520 | 35.7 | 6492.5 | 766 | 3.6 | | | | | | | UnholyBlight | 40913042 | .9 | 59555 | 687 | 59555 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | Army of the Dead | 40177254 | .8 | 297219 | 135.2 | 257701 | 84.8 | 132.8 | 39518 | 13 | 150.9 | 6498 | 2.1 | | | | | | | DPS | 13294(+/- 2548) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Total Damage | 4786.03m | in 100h | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Total runic power used: 2597760 (170 wasted) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Threat Per Second | 8904 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Generated in | 94s | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Template: | 2HUnholyTest | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Priority: | UnholyPriority | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Presence: | Unholy | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Sigil: | HangedMan | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | RuneEnchant: | FallenCrusader | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Pet Calculation: | True | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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| Ability | Damage done | | | | hits | | | Crits | | | Misses | | Glances | | | Uptime | | | | Total | % | # | Avg | # | % | Avg | # | % | Avg | # | Avg | # | % | Avg | % | | | MainHand | 1071241216 | 22.6 | 176610 | 8159.8 | 64792 | 35.6 | 4587.6 | 66491 | 36.5 | 9450.8 | 5638 | 3.1 | 45327 | 24.9 | 3212.4 | | | | ScourgeStrike | 467727503 | 9.8 | 53122 | 8804.8 | 30620 | 55.9 | 5559.5 | 22502 | 41.1 | 13220.8 | 1660 | 3 | | | | | | | Ghoul | 459445120 | 9.7 | 390555 | 1578.6 | 238976 | 59.9 | 1112.9 | 52071 | 13 | 2226.9 | 8702 | 2.2 | 99508 | 24.9 | 779.2 | | | | DeathCoil | 327191510 | 6.9 | 40854 | 8008.8 | 25819 | 60.8 | 5764.3 | 15035 | 35.4 | 11863.1 | 1626 | 3.8 | | | | | | | BloodStrike | 316739416 | 6.7 | 69653 | 4547.4 | 44288 | 61.6 | 3281 | 25365 | 35.3 | 6758.5 | 2200 | 3.1 | | | | | | | FrostFever | 295005998 | 6.2 | 107058 | 2755.6 | 107058 | 100 | 2755.6 | | | | | | | | | 99.1 | | | ScourgeStrikeMagical | 258096100 | 5.4 | 53122 | 4858.6 | 30620 | 57.6 | 3068 | 22502 | 42.4 | 7295.1 | | | | | | | | | BloodPlague | 247046969 | 5.2 | 107236 | 2303.8 | 107236 | 100 | 2303.8 | | | | | | | | | 99.7 | | | Necrosis | 208141279 | 4.4 | 176610 | 1178.5 | 176610 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | Gargoyle | 199004141 | 4.2 | 38497 | 5169.3 | 33520 | 83.7 | 4577.9 | 4977 | 12.4 | 9152.8 | 1557 | 3.9 | | | | | | | BryntrollHeroic | 165524896 | 3.5 | 34588 | 4785.6 | 34588 | 96.2 | 4785.6 | | | | 1351 | 3.8 | | | | | | | BloodCakedBlade | 162311164 | 3.4 | 51576 | 3147 | 51576 | 96.9 | 3147 | | | | 1662 | 3.1 | | | | | | | Ghoul: Claw | 157467964 | 3.3 | 90370 | 1742.5 | 78519 | 85 | 1669.5 | 11851 | 12.8 | 2226.2 | 2058 | 2.2 | | | | | | | WanderingPlague | 146573930 | 3.1 | 58214 | 2517.8 | 58214 | 96.4 | | | | | 2161 | 3.6 | | | | | | | PlagueStrike | 102921244 | 2.2 | 18504 | 5562.1 | 10633 | 55.9 | 3506.6 | 7871 | 41.4 | 8338.9 | 519 | 2.7 | | | | | | | IcyTouch | 94503504 | 2 | 18514 | 5104.4 | 11614 | 60.5 | 3660.6 | 6900 | 35.9 | 7534.7 | 692 | 3.6 | | | | | | | Army of the Dead | 37093772 | .8 | 257299 | 144.2 | 223085 | 85 | 142.8 | 34214 | 13 | 153 | 5284 | 2 | | | | | | | UnholyBlight | 32720522 | .7 | 40854 | 800.9 | 40854 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | DPS | 13191(+/- 2694) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Total Damage | 4748.76m | in 100h | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Total runic power used: 1822680 (311560 wasted) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Threat Per Second | 9063 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Generated in | 91s | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Template: | 2HUnholy | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Priority: | UnholyPriority | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Presence: | Blood | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Sigil: | HangedMan | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | RuneEnchant: | FallenCrusader | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Pet Calculation: | True | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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06/17/10, 8:54 PM
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#3419
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Von Kaiser
Human Death Knight
Cenarion Circle
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Doc, can you talk a bit about your current setup? You're ArP gemmed and running 2H Frost?
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06/18/10, 10:49 AM
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#3420
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Von Kaiser
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Winning aoe fights against "the other DKs" means nothing. They might have worse gear, or not be playing as well, for example. In an aoe rotation there are free GCDs because of D&D costing 3 runes and providing less RP per rune, and increasing all your damage by 15% will blow away 15% haste for you and your ghoul on 1 of the targets. I still suspect there's something fishy going on with the numbers for the single target test, but for aoe there is zero possible room for doubt.
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06/18/10, 4:23 PM
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#3421
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Von Kaiser
Human Death Knight
Anvilmar
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I'm fine with nerfing my AoE damage. If I need to, I can always jump over to Frost.
@Mericet
I ran your gear, and the Unholy Pres came out on top, but not by much.
Running in Unholy Pres w/ Imp Unholy Pres
| Ability | Damage done | | | | hits | | | Crits | | | Misses | | Glances | | | Uptime | | | | Total | % | # | Avg | # | % | Avg | # | % | Avg | # | Avg | # | % | Avg | % | | | MainHand | 1299194850 | 24.1 | 198453 | 8811.6 | 70356 | 34.3 | 4910.1 | 77086 | 37.6 | 10100 | 6415 | 3.1 | 51011 | 24.9 | 3433.9 | | | | Ghoul | 625860077 | 11.6 | 487546 | 1716.7 | 300506 | 61 | 1216.1 | 64058 | 13 | 2431.4 | 4691 | 1 | 122982 | 25 | 851.1 | | | | ScourgeStrike | 527053363 | 9.8 | 59822 | 8810.4 | 33859 | 54.8 | 5517.7 | 25963 | 42.1 | 13104.4 | 1909 | 3.1 | | | | | | | DeathCoil | 439344547 | 8.1 | 60549 | 7256 | 37558 | 60.7 | 5174.6 | 22991 | 37.1 | 10656.2 | 1345 | 2.2 | | | | | | | BloodStrike | 354411989 | 6.6 | 77783 | 4556.4 | 48550 | 60.5 | 3260.9 | 29233 | 36.4 | 6708 | 2508 | 3.1 | | | | | | | FrostFever | 280266263 | 5.2 | 111872 | 2505.2 | 111872 | 100 | 2505.2 | | | | | | | | | 99.5 | | | Gargoyle | 259137512 | 4.8 | 48401 | 5354 | 42119 | 85 | 4740.1 | 6282 | 12.7 | 9470.1 | 1136 | 2.3 | | | | | | | ScourgeStrikeMagical | 253816394 | 4.7 | 59822 | 4242.9 | 33859 | 56.6 | 2657.6 | 25963 | 43.4 | 6310.2 | | | | | | | | | Necrosis | 252430897 | 4.7 | 198453 | 1272 | 198453 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | BloodPlague | 234707012 | 4.4 | 112005 | 2095.5 | 112005 | 100 | 2095.5 | | | | | | | | | 99.9 | | | BloodCakedBlade | 194334216 | 3.6 | 57683 | 3369 | 57683 | 96.8 | 3369 | | | | 1911 | 3.2 | | | | | | | Ghoul: Claw | 172046350 | 3.2 | 90507 | 1900.9 | 78636 | 86 | 1821.6 | 11871 | 13 | 2426.2 | 933 | 1 | | | | | | | WanderingPlague | 140993220 | 2.6 | 61495 | 2292.8 | 61495 | 97.9 | | | | | 1346 | 2.1 | | | | | | | PlagueStrike | 115573555 | 2.1 | 20431 | 5656.8 | 11490 | 54.6 | 3525.8 | 8941 | 42.5 | 8395.3 | 602 | 2.9 | | | | | | | IcyTouch | 94518002 | 1.8 | 20298 | 4656.5 | 12488 | 60.2 | 3310.6 | 7810 | 37.7 | 6808.6 | 432 | 2.1 | | | | | | | Shadowmourne | 58198688 | 1.1 | 18031 | 3227.7 | 18031 | 97.6 | 3227.7 | | | | 447 | 2.4 | | | | 97.1 | | | Army of the Dead | 48652158 | .9 | 332763 | 146.2 | 289059 | 86 | 142.7 | 43704 | 13 | 169.6 | 3295 | 1 | | | | | | | UnholyBlight | 43935194 | .8 | 60549 | 725.6 | 60549 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | DPS | 14985(+/- 3063) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Total Damage | 5394.47m | in 100h | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Total runic power used: 2599180 (165 wasted) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Threat Per Second | 9979 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Generated in | 104s | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Template: | 2HUnholyTest | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Priority: | UnholyPriority | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Presence: | Unholy | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Sigil: | HangedMan | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | RuneEnchant: | FallenCrusader | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Pet Calculation: | True | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
Standard Unholy spec, Blood Pres
| Ability | Damage done | | | | hits | | | Crits | | | Misses | | Glances | | | Uptime | | | | Total | % | # | Avg | # | % | Avg | # | % | Avg | # | Avg | # | % | Avg | % | | | MainHand | 1311447580 | 24.4 | 172053 | 10258.7 | 60958 | 34.3 | 5715.6 | 66879 | 37.6 | 11755.8 | 5593 | 3.1 | 44216 | 24.9 | 3999.1 | | | | ScourgeStrike | 547404343 | 10.2 | 53272 | 10275.6 | 30118 | 54.8 | 6429.7 | 23154 | 42.1 | 15278.3 | 1702 | 3.1 | | | | | | | Ghoul | 536743004 | 10 | 420001 | 1708.3 | 258977 | 61.1 | 1210.4 | 55220 | 13 | 2421.3 | 4064 | 1 | 105804 | 24.9 | 846.7 | | | | BloodStrike | 371595898 | 6.9 | 70013 | 5307.5 | 43682 | 60.4 | 3798.4 | 26331 | 36.4 | 7811.2 | 2257 | 3.1 | | | | | | | DeathCoil | 365215106 | 6.8 | 43277 | 8439 | 26899 | 60.8 | 6028.5 | 16378 | 37 | 12397.9 | 972 | 2.2 | | | | | | | FrostFever | 310540603 | 5.8 | 107081 | 2900.1 | 107081 | 100 | 2900.1 | | | | | | | | | 99.2 | | | ScourgeStrikeMagical | 302028772 | 5.6 | 53272 | 5669.6 | 30118 | 56.5 | 3547.8 | 23154 | 43.5 | 8429.4 | | | | | | | | | BloodPlague | 261993596 | 4.9 | 107507 | 2437 | 107507 | 100 | 2437 | | | | | | | | | 99.7 | | | Necrosis | 254799497 | 4.7 | 172053 | 1480.9 | 172053 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | Gargoyle | 228858571 | 4.3 | 42943 | 5329.4 | 37407 | 85.1 | 4719.4 | 5536 | 12.6 | 9450.6 | 1036 | 2.4 | | | | | | | BloodCakedBlade | 196690986 | 3.7 | 50182 | 3919.6 | 50182 | 96.8 | 3919.6 | | | | 1660 | 3.2 | | | | | | | Ghoul: Claw | 171263509 | 3.2 | 90490 | 1892.6 | 78621 | 86 | 1813.2 | 11869 | 13 | 2418.5 | 933 | 1 | | | | | | | WanderingPlague | 157678952 | 2.9 | 59457 | 2652 | 59457 | 97.9 | | | | | 1299 | 2.1 | | | | | | | PlagueStrike | 121262117 | 2.3 | 18511 | 6550.8 | 10523 | 55.3 | 4109.1 | 7988 | 41.9 | 9767.5 | 535 | 2.8 | | | | | | | IcyTouch | 100048324 | 1.9 | 18542 | 5395.8 | 11416 | 60.3 | 3842.1 | 7126 | 37.6 | 7884.7 | 385 | 2 | | | | | | | Shadowmourne | 64478131 | 1.2 | 17077 | 3775.7 | 17077 | 97.8 | 3775.7 | | | | 376 | 2.2 | | | | 96.8 | | | Army of the Dead | 44629021 | .8 | 289331 | 154.2 | 251445 | 86.1 | 151.9 | 37886 | 13 | 170 | 2756 | .9 | | | | | | | UnholyBlight | 36514906 | .7 | 43277 | 843.7 | 43277 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | DPS | 14953(+/- 3090) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Total Damage | 5383.19m | in 100h | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Total runic power used: 1893440 (250985 wasted) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Threat Per Second | 10218 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Generated in | 75s | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Template: | 2HUnholy | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Priority: | UnholyPriority | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Presence: | Blood | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Sigil: | HangedMan | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | RuneEnchant: | FallenCrusader | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Pet Calculation: | True | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
Same as above, except prioritizing DC over BS
| Ability | Damage done | | | | hits | | | Crits | | | Misses | | Glances | | | Uptime | | | | Total | % | # | Avg | # | % | Avg | # | % | Avg | # | Avg | # | % | Avg | % | | | MainHand | 1307093528 | 24.3 | 172046 | 10225 | 61067 | 34.4 | 5701.8 | 66766 | 37.6 | 11721.4 | 5593 | 3.1 | 44213 | 24.9 | 3987.7 | | | | ScourgeStrike | 547205562 | 10.2 | 53323 | 10262.1 | 30125 | 54.7 | 6423.7 | 23198 | 42.2 | 15246.7 | 1702 | 3.1 | | | | | | | Ghoul | 536086466 | 10 | 420184 | 1705.5 | 259089 | 61.1 | 1208.3 | 55240 | 13 | 2417.2 | 4064 | 1 | 105855 | 25 | 845.5 | | | | DeathCoil | 423848510 | 7.9 | 50323 | 8422.6 | 31219 | 60.7 | 6010.1 | 19104 | 37.1 | 12365 | 1126 | 2.2 | | | | | | | FrostFever | 313051430 | 5.8 | 108131 | 2895.1 | 108131 | 100 | 2895.1 | | | | | | | | | 99.1 | | | BloodStrike | 306141286 | 5.7 | 57893 | 5288.1 | 36187 | 60.5 | 3787.1 | 21706 | 36.3 | 7790.4 | 1875 | 3.1 | | | | | | | ScourgeStrikeMagical | 301416953 | 5.6 | 53323 | 5652.7 | 30125 | 56.5 | 3538.5 | 23198 | 43.5 | 8398.2 | | | | | | | | | BloodPlague | 263495020 | 4.9 | 108572 | 2426.9 | 108572 | 100 | 2426.9 | | | | | | | | | 99.7 | | | Necrosis | 253952824 | 4.7 | 172046 | 1476.1 | 172046 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | Gargoyle | 223098769 | 4.2 | 42058 | 5304.6 | 36632 | 85 | 4699.1 | 5426 | 12.6 | 9392 | 1014 | 2.4 | | | | | | | BloodCakedBlade | 196072854 | 3.7 | 50182 | 3907.2 | 50182 | 96.8 | 3907.2 | | | | 1658 | 3.2 | | | | | | | Ghoul: Claw | 170916788 | 3.2 | 90479 | 1889 | 78612 | 86 | 1809.7 | 11867 | 13 | 2414.3 | 932 | 1 | | | | | | | WanderingPlague | 158235108 | 2.9 | 59823 | 2645.1 | 59823 | 97.9 | | | | | 1309 | 2.1 | | | | | | | PlagueStrike | 121162811 | 2.3 | 18513 | 6544.7 | 10473 | 55 | 4092.1 | 8040 | 42.2 | 9739.6 | 535 | 2.8 | | | | | | | IcyTouch | 99771944 | 1.9 | 18533 | 5383.5 | 11430 | 60.4 | 3833.9 | 7103 | 37.5 | 7877 | 385 | 2 | | | | | | | Shadowmourne | 62058617 | 1.2 | 16450 | 3772.6 | 16450 | 97.7 | 3772.6 | | | | 385 | 2.3 | | | | 96.8 | | | Army of the Dead | 44434643 | .8 | 289275 | 153.6 | 251273 | 86 | 150.8 | 38002 | 13 | 172.2 | 2840 | 1 | | | | | | | UnholyBlight | 42376874 | .8 | 50323 | 842.1 | 50323 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | DPS | 14918(+/- 3040) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Total Damage | 5370.42m | in 100h | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Total runic power used: 2181320 (0 wasted) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Threat Per Second | 10204 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Generated in | 78s | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Template: | 2HUnholy | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Priority: | UnholyPriority | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Presence: | Blood | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Sigil: | HangedMan | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | RuneEnchant: | FallenCrusader | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Pet Calculation: | True | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
Perhaps there's something wrong with the way Kahorie's handles Unholy Presence, or Imp. Unholy Pres?
Priority is BP > FF > Deso > SS > BS > DC > HoW
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06/19/10, 11:04 AM
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#3422
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Glass Joe
Human Death Knight
Lightbringer
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DW Unholy
Was playing with Unholy specs in the sim, and figured I'd try a DW build for whatever reason. Interesting results...
First I tried it with my exact gear as listed on armory. Swapping my 2 1 handers for Shadow's Edge and H WFS for War Token. With 20% buff and no additional runic power, result was :
Unholy 2H Current Gear
| Ability | Damage done | | | | hits | | | Crits | | | Misses | | Glances | | | Uptime | | | | Total | % | # | Avg | # | % | Avg | # | % | Avg | # | Avg | # | % | Avg | % | | | Melee | 1151903392 | 23.5 | 170444 | 9117.1 | 59206 | 33.7 | 5049.4 | 67139 | 38.2 | 10385 | 5344 | 3 | 44099 | 25.1 | 3531 | | | | ScourgeStrike | 773502486 | 15.8 | 53457 | 14469.6 | 29616 | 54.6 | 8970.1 | 23841 | 43.9 | 21301.2 | 832 | 1.5 | | | | | | | Ghoul | 644190034 | 13.1 | 303613 | 3254.3 | 165024 | 53.4 | 2507.5 | 32926 | 10.7 | 4479.9 | 5520 | 1.8 | 105663 | 34.2 | 784.5 | | | | DeathCoil | 397522867 | 8.1 | 50112 | 7932.7 | 30377 | 58.3 | 5600.1 | 19735 | 37.9 | 11523 | 1956 | 3.8 | | | | | | | BloodStrike | 343844524 | 7 | 71618 | 4801.1 | 44302 | 60 | 3421.4 | 27316 | 37 | 7038.7 | 2177 | 3 | | | | | | | FrostFever | 289016309 | 5.9 | 108525 | 2663.1 | 108525 | 100 | 2663.1 | | | | | | | | | 99.1 | | | BloodPlague | 241465225 | 4.9 | 108584 | 2223.8 | 108584 | 100 | 2223.8 | | | | | | | | | 99.6 | | | Necrosis | 223770170 | 4.6 | 170444 | 1312.9 | 170444 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | Gargoyle | 211623155 | 4.3 | 42950 | 4927.2 | 37362 | 83.6 | 4360.9 | 5588 | 12.5 | 8713.5 | 1762 | 3.9 | | | | | | | BloodCakedBlade | 171332848 | 3.5 | 49536 | 3458.8 | 49536 | 97.1 | 3458.8 | | | | 1475 | 2.9 | | | | | | | WanderingPlague | 149803519 | 3.1 | 61628 | 2430.8 | 61628 | 96.1 | | | | | 2471 | 3.9 | | | | | | | PlagueStrike | 108819061 | 2.2 | 18513 | 5878 | 10312 | 54 | 3648.4 | 8201 | 43 | 8681.5 | 575 | 3 | | | | | | | IcyTouch | 92208742 | 1.9 | 18536 | 4974.6 | 11553 | 60 | 3559.1 | 6983 | 36.2 | 7316.4 | 729 | 3.8 | | | | | | | Army of the Dead | 41478654 | .8 | 288699 | 143.7 | 250902 | 85.1 | 141.6 | 37797 | 12.8 | 157.1 | 6121 | 2.1 | | | | | | | UnholyBlight | 39743416 | .8 | 50112 | 793.1 | 50112 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | Saronite Bomb | 15244352 | .3 | 6172 | 2469.9 | 6172 | 100 | 2469.9 | | | | | | | | | | | | Global Thermal Sapper Charge | 11565275 | .2 | 2057 | 5622.4 | 1279 | 62.2 | 4513.9 | 778 | 37.8 | 7444.7 | | | | | | | | | DPS | 13631(+/- 2741) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Total Damage | 4907.03m | in 100h | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Total runic power used: 2206140 (1115 wasted) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Threat Per Second | 8967 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Generated in | 40s | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Template: | Unholy 00-17-54 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Priority: | Unholy | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Presence: | Blood | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Sigil: | Virulence | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | RuneEnchant: | FallenCrusader | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Pet Calculation: | True | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
So I tried a Dualwield Spec of Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft Basically just swapping 3 points in Black Ice to Nerves of Cold Steel. Changed weapons to Havoc's Call mainhand, heroic Gutbuster offhand. Result was:
Unholy DW Current Gear
| Ability | Damage done | | | | hits | | | Crits | | | Misses | | Glances | | | Uptime | | | | Total | % | # | Avg | # | % | Avg | # | % | Avg | # | Avg | # | % | Avg | % | | | Melee | 1555903783 | 31 | 420274 | 5315.3 | 86197 | 16.9 | 2581.6 | 206526 | 40.5 | 5335.6 | 89489 | 17.6 | 127551 | 25 | 1814.5 | | | | Ghoul | 634457131 | 12.6 | 313187 | 3087.9 | 172036 | 54.9 | 2386.4 | 33428 | 10.7 | 4283.1 | | | 107723 | 34.4 | 749.5 | | | | ScourgeStrike | 553208448 | 11 | 53484 | 10343.4 | 28427 | 52.9 | 6290.7 | 25057 | 46.6 | 14941.3 | 236 | .4 | | | | | | | DeathCoil | 384281910 | 7.6 | 51269 | 7495.4 | 30951 | 58.9 | 5284 | 20318 | 38.7 | 10864.1 | 1281 | 2.4 | | | | | | | Necrosis | 302287996 | 6 | 210137 | 1438.5 | 210137 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | FrostFever | 269479856 | 5.4 | 107789 | 2500.1 | 107789 | 100 | 2500.1 | | | | | | | | | 99.4 | | | BloodStrike | 248182788 | 4.9 | 35990 | 6895.9 | 21452 | 59.1 | 4832.7 | 14538 | 40.1 | 9940.3 | 298 | .8 | | | | | | | BloodPlague | 225130688 | 4.5 | 107943 | 2085.6 | 107943 | 100 | 2085.6 | | | | | | | | | 99.9 | | | BloodCakedBlade | 222795239 | 4.4 | 62758 | 3550.1 | 62758 | 99.5 | 3550.1 | | | | 292 | .5 | | | | | | | Gargoyle | 217974022 | 4.3 | 45388 | 4802.5 | 39502 | 84.8 | 4250.7 | 5886 | 12.6 | 8505.7 | 1176 | 2.5 | | | | | | | WanderingPlague | 145983655 | 2.9 | 64042 | 2279.5 | 64042 | 97.5 | | | | | 1636 | 2.5 | | | | | | | IcyTouch | 86936149 | 1.7 | 18516 | 4695.2 | 11487 | 60.5 | 3352 | 7029 | 37 | 6890.3 | 485 | 2.6 | | | | | | | PlagueStrike | 75415543 | 1.5 | 9256 | 8147.7 | 4946 | 53 | 4962.2 | 4310 | 46.2 | 11803.4 | 80 | .9 | | | | | | | Army of the Dead | 39918271 | .8 | 297395 | 134.2 | 259315 | 87.2 | 131.9 | 38080 | 12.8 | 150.1 | | | | | | | | | UnholyBlight | 38441078 | .8 | 51269 | 749.8 | 51269 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | Saronite Bomb | 15244572 | .3 | 6172 | 2470 | 6172 | 100 | 2470 | | | | | | | | | | | | Global Thermal Sapper Charge | 11457078 | .2 | 2057 | 5569.8 | 1239 | 60.2 | 4514.3 | 818 | 39.8 | 7168.6 | | | | | | | | | DPS | 13964(+/- 2765) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Total Damage | 5027.1m | in 100h | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Total runic power used: 2225480 (70 wasted) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Threat Per Second | 9245 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Generated in | 48s | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Template: | 00-17-54 Unholy DW | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Priority: | Unholy | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Presence: | Blood | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Sigil: | Virulence | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | RuneEnchant: | FallenCrusader / | FallenCrusader | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Pet Calculation: | True | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
Hmmm.... I says to myself! It must be because I have a 271 mainhand and Threat of Thassarian is covering for the fact that I have terrible hit rating. So I tried it with 2 bis-ish setups.
2h setup used: Profiler - Wowhead
Results:
Unholy 2h BiS
| Ability | Damage done | | | | hits | | | Crits | | | Misses | | Glances | | | Uptime | | | | Total | % | # | Avg | # | % | Avg | # | % | Avg | # | Avg | # | % | Avg | % | | | Melee | 1225004915 | 23.1 | 187226 | 8847.7 | 64483 | 33.2 | 4886 | 73971 | 38 | 10047.5 | 7264 | 3.7 | 48772 | 25.1 | 3418.4 | | | | ScourgeStrike | 790015197 | 14.9 | 53424 | 14787.6 | 29674 | 54.5 | 9178.1 | 23750 | 43.6 | 21796.4 | 1007 | 1.9 | | | | | | | Ghoul | 686041836 | 12.9 | 314068 | 3330.4 | 172476 | 54.9 | 2573.5 | 33518 | 10.7 | 4618.7 | | | 108074 | 34.4 | 808.4 | | | | DeathCoil | 417348977 | 7.9 | 51502 | 8103.5 | 31296 | 60.1 | 5730.7 | 20206 | 38.8 | 11778.7 | 589 | 1.1 | | | | | | | BloodStrike | 351229174 | 6.6 | 71576 | 4907.1 | 44366 | 59.8 | 3500 | 27210 | 36.6 | 7201.4 | 2673 | 3.6 | | | | | | | FrostFever | 296569160 | 5.6 | 108339 | 2737.4 | 108339 | 100 | 2737.4 | | | | | | | | | 99.2 | | | BloodPlague | 248316670 | 4.7 | 108625 | 2286 | 108625 | 100 | 2286 | | | | | | | | | 99.6 | | | Necrosis | 237992858 | 4.5 | 187226 | 1271.2 | 187226 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | Gargoyle | 226352994 | 4.3 | 44550 | 5080.9 | 38775 | 86 | 4497.2 | 5775 | 12.8 | 8999.9 | 544 | 1.2 | | | | | | | BloodCakedBlade | 180933002 | 3.4 | 54055 | 3347.2 | 54055 | 96.4 | 3347.2 | | | | 2002 | 3.6 | | | | | | | BryntrollHeroic | 176904176 | 3.3 | 36973 | 4784.7 | 36973 | 98.8 | 4784.7 | | | | 452 | 1.2 | | | | | | | WanderingPlague | 152798620 | 2.9 | 61194 | 2497 | 61194 | 98.9 | | | | | 693 | 1.1 | | | | | | | PlagueStrike | 111410345 | 2.1 | 18514 | 6017.6 | 10348 | 53.8 | 3741.9 | 8166 | 42.5 | 8901.4 | 708 | 3.7 | | | | | | | IcyTouch | 94684729 | 1.8 | 18565 | 5100.2 | 11568 | 61.5 | 3642.1 | 6997 | 37.2 | 7510.8 | 231 | 1.2 | | | | | | | Army of the Dead | 43668299 | .8 | 300451 | 145.3 | 262039 | 87.2 | 142.5 | 38412 | 12.8 | 164.9 | | | | | | | | | UnholyBlight | 41740709 | .8 | 51502 | 810.5 | 51502 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | Saronite Bomb | 15243815 | .3 | 6172 | 2469.8 | 6172 | 100 | 2469.8 | | | | | | | | | | | | Global Thermal Sapper Charge | 11532505 | .2 | 2057 | 5606.5 | 1290 | 62.7 | 4513.6 | 767 | 37.3 | 7444.6 | | | | | | | | | DPS | 14744(+/- 3059) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Total Damage | 5307.79m | in 100h | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Total runic power used: 2207000 (1820 wasted) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Threat Per Second | 9727 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Generated in | 38s | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Template: | Unholy 00-17-54 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Priority: | Unholy | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Presence: | Blood | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Sigil: | Virulence | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | RuneEnchant: | FallenCrusader | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Pet Calculation: | True | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
DW setup used: Profiler - Wowhead
Results:
Unholy DW BiS
| Ability | Damage done | | | | hits | | | Crits | | | Misses | | Glances | | | Uptime | | | | Total | % | # | Avg | # | % | Avg | # | % | Avg | # | Avg | # | % | Avg | % | | | Melee | 1730371355 | 31.9 | 428945 | 5765.9 | 91632 | 17.8 | 2834.6 | 208472 | 40.5 | 5829.4 | 85457 | 16.6 | 128841 | 25 | 1982 | | | | Ghoul | 662896152 | 12.2 | 316222 | 3197.7 | 173554 | 54.9 | 2470 | 33749 | 10.7 | 4436.2 | | | 108919 | 34.4 | 775.9 | | | | ScourgeStrike | 595031370 | 11 | 53455 | 11131.4 | 28428 | 52.4 | 6772.7 | 25027 | 46.1 | 16082.5 | 806 | 1.5 | | | | | | | DeathCoil | 402564144 | 7.4 | 52241 | 7705.9 | 31745 | 60.8 | 5445.3 | 20496 | 39.2 | 11207.2 | | | | | | | | | Necrosis | 336222922 | 6.2 | 214472 | 1567.7 | 214472 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | FrostFever | 280378912 | 5.2 | 108111 | 2593.4 | 108111 | 100 | 2593.4 | | | | | | | | | 99.3 | | | BloodStrike | 266590894 | 4.9 | 35888 | 7428.4 | 21369 | 57.8 | 5203.5 | 14519 | 39.3 | 10703 | 1057 | 2.9 | | | | | | | BloodCakedBlade | 242953783 | 4.5 | 62538 | 3884.9 | 62538 | 97.1 | 3884.9 | | | | 1840 | 2.9 | | | | | | | Gargoyle | 236888027 | 4.4 | 47494 | 4987.7 | 41330 | 87 | 4413.9 | 6164 | 13 | 8835.5 | | | | | | | | | BloodPlague | 234518201 | 4.3 | 108501 | 2161.4 | 108501 | 100 | 2161.4 | | | | | | | | | 99.7 | | | WanderingPlague | 151197376 | 2.8 | 64017 | 2361.8 | 64017 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | IcyTouch | 89705645 | 1.7 | 18544 | 4837.4 | 11550 | 62.3 | 3464.8 | 6994 | 37.7 | 7104.2 | | | | | | | | | PlagueStrike | 81671580 | 1.5 | 9258 | 8821.7 | 4924 | 51.6 | 5368.9 | 4334 | 45.5 | 12744.6 | 277 | 2.9 | | | | | | | Army of the Dead | 41901055 | .8 | 302363 | 138.6 | 263685 | 87.2 | 135.9 | 38678 | 12.8 | 157 | | | | | | | | | UnholyBlight | 40263064 | .7 | 52241 | 770.7 | 52241 | 100 | | | | | | | | | | | | | Saronite Bomb | 15243116 | .3 | 6172 | 2469.7 | 6172 | 100 | 2469.7 | | | | | | | | | | | | Global Thermal Sapper Charge | 11475616 | .2 | 2057 | 5578.8 | 1232 | 59.9 | 4515 | 825 | 40.1 | 7167.4 | | | | | | | | | DPS | 15055(+/- 2994) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Total Damage | 5419.87m | in 100h | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Total runic power used: 2213120 (1090 wasted) | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Threat Per Second | 10008 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Generated in | 48s | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Template: | 00-17-54 Unholy DW | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Priority: | Unholy | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Presence: | Blood | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Sigil: | Virulence | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | RuneEnchant: | FallenCrusader / | FallenCrusader | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Pet Calculation: | True | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
If this is accurate/holds up in live testing, Dual Wield may actually be the way to go at some point of gear assuming no Shadowmourne.
Sooooo... Can anyone reproduce this? Feel free to point it out if I've done something retarded that would explain this as well.
Edit: Looking over the damage breakdown, Dual wield tests are showing higher averages on Plague Strikes and Blood Strikes by a fair margin. Something seems off there.
Edit 2: It's double the average damage listed because I had merge strikes checked. Doesn't seem to be out of line when I unmerge strikes. Think it's just being difficult, don't believe it's more than a display bug on averages. Not looking like that has skewed the results at all.
Also, just tried it with a rotation rather than priority, and the results were all within 30 dps of my original numbers, so doubt that makes a difference.
Edit 3: Also, I misnamed the stupid templates. Fixing it
Edit 4: Yes. Another one. Meant Nerves of Cold Steel. Typed Threat of Thassarian.
Last edited by Sonustor : 06/19/10 at 12:09 PM.
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06/19/10, 11:44 AM
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King Hippo
Draenei Death Knight
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You can't swap 3 points from Black Ice into Threat of Thaussarian. At first, I assumed you meant Nerves of Cold Steel, which is what you took in the linked build, but then that doesn't explain the BS/PS average numbers. You screwed up somewhere.
Also, a minor issue, but the number of saronite bombs/sapper charges does not line up between the two specs, which really makes no sense. There's no reason they shouldn't. That doesn't majorly affect your results, and it's likely a sim issue as opposed to a personal error, but still.
There's also the fact that the number of SS/DC/Etcetera are all higher for the DW sim instead of the 2H sim. With the same rotation, once again, there's no reason they should be different.
All in all, you and/or the sim messed up, more than once down the line, and thus your results are inaccurate.
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As to imp UP up there, what was the latency set to? It shouldn't be wasting that much RP normally, even with BS prioritized. Also, what talent did you sacrifice for IUP? It obviously wasn't Necrosis or BCB, and some quick math shows it couldn't have been BI or Desolation.
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In general, if you're going to provide a sim to prove/disprove a spec, please turn off the ICC buff. It's pointless to have on in such a scenario, and just makes it more difficult for people to find where you (likely!) went wrong.
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06/19/10, 11:59 AM
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Glass Joe
Human Death Knight
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Yeah, sorry meant Nerves of Cold Steel. But without changing the rotation or runic power input, I can't see how total strike numbers would change. I'll mess around with it more.
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06/19/10, 12:06 PM
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King Hippo
Draenei Death Knight
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If you don't have ToT, then the average BS/PS should be lower in the DW sim, just like every other strike. Thus even ignoring the total number of strikes, you still messed up - if you can unmerge BS/PS, that means you specced into ToT, and if you say you didn't, then there should be nothing to unmerge, and the average should be lower. Glaringly obvious flaw.
As much as I'm happy to shoot stuff down, people really should double-check their own sims before they post them!
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