Plus in many fights there are opportunities where you can safely summon your army or you just summon it right before the pull. When running from Rotface's poo poo or when you have the hit debuff at the Professor for example.


Regarding the Tiny Abomination trinket, the latest sim version has it implemented and the proc is way below DC or DW.

I would assume the Army taunt COULD cause problems on Rotface, but since Unholy has the ability to direct its summons I think this could be safely avoided. Still, there is a risk. Probably not advisable for Blood or Frost once the Big Oozes are out.

How about you crunch the numbers yourself and then argument your point in front of everyone else here instead of expecting people to do your work for you? There's posts in this very same thread talking about the viability of Black Ice specs and how great it'd be if it was tier 1. There's no need for anyone but you to do any further research on it unless you can provide data that contradicts that information on your own.

Summoning ghouls during Choking Gas Bomb is a great idea. Avoiding getting hit by the flasks is very hard unless you are using a boss mod with a timer and anticipate their spawning. There's very little leeway if you don't and I think most people will get hit by them many times. It's indeed a fantastic moment to summon your ghouls. Didn't try ghouls at Rotface but there's enough time without a big slime at the beginning of the fight for a pre-summon, specially if you don't cleanse the first slime to pair it with the second.

It is, but ideally when he "poo poo"s the current Big Ooze is exploding and it'll be a little bit of time before the next. Later on, with quicker spawns, I'd be afraid that the Big Ooze would be formed before AotD ended.

Did some testing a month or so back to try to figure that out.

• Army of the Dead always spawns in Defensive mode, regardless of the state of your ghoul.
• Army follows /petattack and /petstay commands you give to your pet ghoul, just like a gargoyle does. This is old news.
• Army does respond to /petaggressive, /petdefensive, and /petpassive commands. If you pop Army on a training dummy and then flip your pet ghoul to Passive, your army will also stop attacking. If you flip your ghoul to passive and then tell it to /petattack a training dummy, your army will also attack that dummy.
• Unfortunately, even in Passive mode army continues to listen for attacks on allies. Any hostile action against a party member resets your army to Defensive.

In theory you might be able to keep army off adds by focusing the boss and having an addon or a g15 keyboard spam

/petpassive
/petattack [target=focus]

faster than the ghouls could get to an add and taunt. I have no idea if this would work, or what it would do to their swing timers if it did.

AoTD can be safely popped during the prepull of Rotface - they should die before the first big ooze spawns. I had no trouble using AoTD during our Rotface attempts.

Me and my partner in crime DK in my guild pop army on virtually every fight in the game because we are confident of being able to keep army off adds. The method we use is:

- Hit army with pet on defensive.
- Once spawned hit pet passive.
- Aquire the boss target and hit petattack.

Never had an add taunted by army when doing this. Army will not drop target or aquire a new one until put on defensive and hit, or switched from passive to defenisve and quickly back and made to attack another target.

You're mixing and matching rotations with builds, the original rotation in your post is for reaping builds (minus pest).
You have GoD which isn't optimal but assuming you picked it up from one of the earlier posts after the patch release you will have to use a GoD rotation that incorporates pestilence. Check up on posts real early in the thread for the latest GoD rotation, but once again it's not the best way to go unless you're using an AoE rotation/spec on AoE heavy fights.

The Pestilence you have listed at the end of what you're referring to as your 'first rotation' requires a rune that isn't available (since you've used Scourge Strike three times there already).

What you're likely trying to suggest is doing this:

PS -> IT -> BS -> BS -> SS -> DC -> (HoW)
SS -> DC -> SS -> SS -> DC -> (DC)

and then

Pest -> BS -> SS -> SS -> DC -> (HoW)
SS -> DC -> SS -> SS -> DC -> (DC)

Functionally, this is possible. However, between giving up Glyph of Dark Death and the damage delta between the regular rotation and yours (giving up one BS, trading PS/IT for SS), it appears to be a DPS loss.

Your rotation might work well in situations where there's enough AoE that you'd be using Pestilence anyway, though.

Could you clarify some of the mechanics and risks behind this? If I'm understanding correctly this would allow the use of army almost on CD, regardless of the presence of adds. What kind of situation is it not possible to do this in?

Regarding the discussion about run speed enchants and IUP:

Speed enchant on boots do not interact with Improved Unholy Presence. I tried using Tuskarr's Vitality on my boots and going into 1/2 Improved Unholy Presence in the hope that I could save a talent point but they do not add up.

To get 8% you either get a boot enchant or 1/2 Improved Unholy Presence.
To get 15% increased runspeed the only option is to go 2/2 Improved Unholy Presence.