I thought Glyph of Disease was fixed to prevent this kind of behaviour and diseases would get spread with the current active buffs only.

After looking at the logs, as other have said, the crit disparity is huge.

However, somehow you got in more melee swings in the 1st parse than the second one, despite the second parse lasting longer.

The biggest thing? Bryntroll procs.

40 in the 1st vs 24 in the second.

Were these parses done before and after the proc nerfs?

As a dualspec frost tank/unholy dps, I don't have the luxury of multiple unholy specs. Consequently I'm using the AOE spec (and glyphs) at present, suggested as "probably the best general spec". Unfortunately the OP lacks a single-target GoD rotation. I see one here (#1055) but it's from 26th Oct - is it still correct? It uses BS/BS/SS not the BS/SS/BS I see elsewhere.

What is especially surprising me about that rotation is the initial two refreshes apply PS/IT twice. It would be good to have this rotation added to the OP if correct, and ideally some notes on how it was designed.

The glyph section is currently rather rigid, without guidance on the relative importance of each glyph. With only one Unholy spec, I have to make tradeoffs not just on spec but also glyphs, so some brief notes eg on relative contributions would be very useful to people like me. For example from the OP and (#1092) it seems GoD isn't a huge DPS loss over GotG for single target, but is a very large gain on aoe.

Thank you for all your hard work Consider and colleagues, I really really really do not want to have to learn everything you must have to make a post like this. I play several classes regularly and I would explode!

I've been playing around with a spec utilizing GoD and Glyph of Scourge Strike. It's a minimum 21.5 second rotation just like the reaping rotation, and sacrifices 1 IT, 1 PS, and 1 BS for an extra Scourge Strike and of course a single Pestilence. I actually think it might come out higher DPS then what we have thus far, but I've been unable to get the Team Robot sim to model it correctly. Going to work on it in Kahorie's and hopefully I'll have better luck there.



The Rotation is as follows, and assumes you're at the beginning of a full rotation with Diseases already on target. RD is for runic dump or sit on your thumbs and do nothing or Horn of Winter as this rotation also has one extra cooldown. The ? is where you put in Bone Shield if you need to(its immediately after the SS you get from Death Runes) or its just another RD. As with the regular reaping rotation, some time can be shaved off as some of the RD's consume 1.5s but if you have no RD to use they only consume 1s:


Pest>BS>SS>SS>RD>RD>RD>RD>SS>?>SS>SS>RD>RD>RD


The spec is just like Reaping, but you don't need epidemic and is listed here.

In light of GoD talk on single target recently, I decided to make a post.
I'm currently running GoD instead of GoDD, and 2/3 morbidity instead of 2/5 dark conviction.
Why? I just prefer the GoD play style, and it lets me easily take advantage of any opportunities to AoE without much penalty. My spec more or less lets me be lazy and not have to respec for any AoE centered fights (assuming you do Anub Hard Mode a lot, but I don't.. yet).
I've also seen a fairly large dps increase going from four piece t9 to two piece t10, I'll assume that's because I get to use SS more often. Rotation would look something like this (for the first twenty seconds):
PS-IT-Pest-BS-SS
SS-SS-SS
(DC as needed)
Then for the rest of the fight:
SS-Pest-BS-SS
SS-SS-SS
(Again, DC as needed)
You gain a SS every 20 seconds by not having to reapply diseases via IT and PS, and I'd rather have SS that hits for 6k ish normal to 12k-13k crit than IT, PS, and BS.
The only difference I see here is you decide between a SS every 20 seconds or 15% DC damage. I haven't really ran any tests or anything, but I'd assume with decent gear (better than mine) 3 SS's a minute > 15% DC damage; however, I could be wrong.

Also, @ Weidekuh, How does GoD affect WP in any way at all? (I may just be really confused, not a morning person)

~Disclaimer~ Probably old news.

It's not just 3 SS's vs 15% DC damage.
The correct comparison would be: 3 SS's vs 3 IT + 3 PS + 3 BS + 15% DC dmg. And the latter is stronger.
However if you enjoy that play style nothing stops you from playing that.

Also Pestilence glyph makes your Blood Plague and Frost Fever tick at the same time. Due to the internal CD on Wandering Plague, 50% of your disease ticks can't proc WP.

The discussion in this topic should be kept relevant though, if people prefer different specs that's great. And copy pasting from a guide without thinking is always a bad way to go at things anyway. However this topic is about optimal setups, which personal specs often aren't.

@Weidekuh and Nyth
There was lots of discussion about GoD in WP in this thread if you dig a bit deeper. I remember screenshots of diseases refreshed with GoD that definitely didn't tick at the same times. In short, the way you imagine they interact is not correct, GoD just refreshes the duration of both diseases, it doesn't "align them in time".
There is no loss in WP using GoD, there's actually an increase in WP since regular 20sec rotation clips last tick of BP/FF.

That's correct, what GoD does ist "[refreshing] disease durations on your primary target back to their maximum duration". It does not reapply diseases (which is why it doesn't work with Improved Icy Talons for Frost DKs) and has no effect on when each disease ticks (they continue to tick at three second intervals for the entire time).

Shouldn't Banner of Victory still surpass Needle Encrusted scorpion?

Needle has an IC of 50 seconds wich only procs of crit and , opposed to Banner wich has a 45 IC for the 1004 AP while Banner still provides a 6% static ArP.
Atleast on paper it still looks like Banner surpasses Needle , Even running it trough a spreadsheet.
Mabye i'm calculating something wrong?

At 245 gear NES is about 8 dps less than Banner, but at 264 gear it starts to come ahead (because ArP large proc scales better than AP) about 10 dps. They are comparable.

I used Rawr for that.

Just curious on the first post indicating 15 str glove enchant being superior to 44 ap when it seems nobody is using the str enchant, is it actually better?