Unholy Blight perhaps. Given that were not taking GoDD or Morbidity, I would think its value would drop somewhat. I dont doubt that 1 point in Unholy Blight is superior to 1/3 Subversion, but the small amount of threat reduction might be worth the small dps loss. "Quality of life" thing and all.

Correct me if I am wrong here, but GoBS used to be activated only by Frostfire Bolt and Infected Wounds from a Bear tank, out of which only a bear tank is raid viable.

Has this fact changed at all? If not, we're going with Dark Death, with no Bear present.

Interesting results there Consider. Bryntroll, the Bone Arbiter is an unusual weapon. The proc + slightly faster speed probably skews things in the favour of the frost sub-spec. BiS sets typically have more ArPen as well, which would also favour switching to the blood sub-spec.

Even without Bryntoll, with low ArPen (under 600) I too get reaping-less Frost builds doing better than the reaping builds. I suspect they're going to do better than the blood builds too.

At higher ArPen or with extra RP the reaping builds will do better, but blood sub-spec does better still, although it depends a bit on how much extra RP you get, and how you get it.

Yes, yes. GoDD will increase in value when factoring in AMS/revitalize, not to mention the fact that GoBS can be unreliable depending on the raid composition. GoBS is simply superior on paper; nothing more. GoDD will be the ideal choice in 99% of cases, and would be my personal preference.

I simply used GoBS and specified it as someone would have inevitably asked about it.

Despite using my gear, I did turn off Bryntroll's proc, to be safe. Like you said, although Frost sub-spec does favor Bryntroll, the results still stand without it. I did do BiS (sans Shadowmourne) tests and it does eventually have Blood Reaping pull ahead... by a whopping 30 dps.

In my BiS Shadowmourne set your frost spec was higher than the usual blood sub-spec for me. I've used the GoDD and +40 rp every 45s. Maybe it's due to the proc and the massive amount of strength.

Edit: Icy Talons is bugged on the PTR. The buff does not refresh.

I may have missed something here, but unless i'm reading it wrong, doesn't the GoBS require a target to be snared for it to have any effect? Do snares now affect bosses?

That was addressed three posts ago. It only works if you have a druid tank. In most situations GoDD will win out, but on paper GoBS is slightly better assuming you have proper raid comp and no passive generation of RP.

That would be my guess.

Lastest version is 1.2.0.10

What of the comment of frostfire bolt? Or say frost trap aura? I haven't kept up but at some point, I know there was some discussion from hunters for throwing up frost trap on bosses for the point of no escape talent so a boss isn't immune to having the snare aura up even if it were immune to the actual snare (a la druid tank).

Hi,

i was wondering if the Gargoyle does profit from the Icy Talons Haste Buff or not.
I checked the Amount of DMG in % the Gargoyle does in Kahorie's Sim. It doesn't seem to profit from it, still i wanted to ask if it should or not?

thx in advance