Cinder glacier procing is only worthwhile if youre using GoD and you're not going to nerf fallen crusader up-time. There's several fights where CG fishing is very viable, a good example is sindragosa. You'd try to proc cinderglacier during the air phase on the ice tombs then roll the disease the rest of the ground phase.

Most DK's don't get a tricks for rolling diseases at the start of every fight, where as synti and the other paragon DK's usually do.

I could see taking off ebon for Reaping, However 20% boost to disease damage is worth more than 10% boost to Death Coil damage. Two points in Crypt are worth more than the two points in Morbidity.

Just looking at the sim at the top of this page, diseases were 10.8% of overall damage, while DC was 9.7%.

Well that spec is under the assumption that there is another unholy Death Knight in the raid, I do believe you would gain his 30% disease damage through Ebon Plaguebringer. I could be wrong though.

It's worth considering that duplicate buffs do have some worth in many encounters. For example you could put an Unholy Death Knight on both sides of Deathwhisper or Valithria heroic to get the spelldamage buffs to each group. You can't pestilence Frost Tombs on Sindragosa while being inside one yourself. On Lich King your other Death Knight may not be able to apply Ebon Plague to Valkyries and Spirits while being carried by one or after being Harvested.

While Death Knights are one of the more durable dps classes, there is always the possibility of dying as well. You may also have one Death Knight switching away from a target such as Putricide with 1 second left on diseases, while the other has 15 seconds. If the one with the shorter diseases is providing Crypt Fever, the benefit would be lost until they get back to the target. If the dps gain from the spec change would be minor at best, is it really worth leaving it out?

After running Sims for 12-00-59 Unholy Versus 14-00-57 Unholy Both with Reaping in my current gear The World of Warcraft Armory - Detoxz @ Sargeras - Profile
but adding Whispering Fanged Skull these are the results I obtained.

12-00-59 Unholy

Ability	Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	%
ScourgeStrike	842378134	23.2	69892	12052.6	33928	47.7	7053	35964	50.6	16769.1	1230	1.7
MainHand	700360501	19.3	120447	5814.7	75499	60.6	3720.1	44948	36.1	9333	4141	3.3
Ghoul	395885376	10.9	356030	1111.9	309522	86.9	993.5	46508	13.1	1900.4
DeathCoil	387047292	10.7	57856	6689.8	36106	62.4	4786.8	21750	37.6	9848.9
FrostFever	230279103	6.3	109328	2106.3	109328	100							98.3	98.3
BloodPlague	192754865	5.3	109280	1763.9	109280	100							98.2	98.2
Gargoyle	175461058	4.8	33355	5260.4	29054	87.1	4658.5	4301	12.9	9326.4
BloodStrike	156344766	4.3	34946	4473.9	19147	52.9	3024.7	15799	43.7	6230.2	1224	3.4
Necrosis	136057120	3.8	120447	1129.6	120447	100
WanderingPlague	113751986	3.1	59022	1927.3	59022	100
BloodCakedBlade	108191002	3	34983	3092.7	34983	96.5	3092.7				1251	3.5
PlagueStrike	90660379	2.5	17473	5188.6	10124	56.1	3285.5	7349	40.7	7810.3	578	3.2
IcyTouch	59462277	1.6	17473	3403.1	10890	62.3	2433.5	6583	37.7	5007.1
UnholyBlight	38707588	1.1	57856	669	57856	100
DPS	10076
Total Damage	3627.34m	in 100h
Threat Per Second	5148
Generated in	20s
Template:	Unholy 12-00-59
Rotation:	Unholy-Reaping
Presence:	Blood
Sigil:	HangedMan
RuneEnchant:	FallenCrusader
Pet Calculation:	True

14-00-57 Unholy

Ability	Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	%
ScourgeStrike	856162881	23.6	69892	12249.8	32511	45.7	7052.7	37381	52.6	16769.8	1230	1.7
MainHand	712432966	19.6	120447	5914.9	72989	58.6	3691.9	47458	38.1	9333.8	4141	3.3
Ghoul	395885376	10.9	356030	1111.9	309522	86.9	993.5	46508	13.1	1900.4
DeathCoil	357349345	9.8	57856	6176.5	34916	60.3	4351.5	22940	39.7	8954.3
FrostFever	230279103	6.3	109328	2106.3	109328	100							98.3	98.3
BloodPlague	192754865	5.3	109280	1763.9	109280	100							98.2	98.2
Gargoyle	175461058	4.8	33355	5260.4	29054	87.1	4658.5	4301	12.9	9326.4
BloodStrike	158567430	4.4	34946	4537.5	18452	51	3025	16494	45.6	6229.5	1224	3.4
Necrosis	138402316	3.8	120447	1149.1	120447	100
WanderingPlague	118241172	3.3	61344	1927.5	61344	100
BloodCakedBlade	108191002	3	34983	3092.7	34983	96.5	3092.7				1251	3.5
PlagueStrike	92125523	2.5	17473	5272.5	9801	54.3	3285.3	7672	42.5	7811.1	578	3.2
IcyTouch	60372388	1.7	17473	3455.2	10536	60.3	2433.7	6937	39.7	5006.5
UnholyBlight	35737200	1	57856	617.7	57856	100
DPS	10089
Total Damage	3631.96m	in 100h
Threat Per Second	5156
Generated in	20s
Template:	Unholy 14-00-57
Rotation:	Unholy-Reaping
Presence:	Blood
Sigil:	HangedMan
RuneEnchant:	FallenCrusader
Pet Calculation:	True

It is only a 13 DPS Difference. After adding more Crit Rating to the Sims, the DPS Difference began to rise more in the favor of 14-00-57 Unholy but then began to fluctuate as the Crit became even higher. The DPS Difference between the two is very minor.

How much Runic Power per minute did you run for these tests?

The difference between the Ghoul and the DRW is that the ghoul is its own entity, it has his own stats his own skills etc. Meanwhile- DRW functions in the way that it mirrors your attacks at 50% of your original damage.

Say you without the 5% damage hit for 1000 damage, before that crit you popped DRW, which did (1000*0.5)=500 damage

With the 5% damage, your hit becomes 1000*1.05=1050 damage, and the DRW will do (1050*0.5)=525 damage. (525-500)/500=1.05

So in a sense, the DRW will also be buffed, because your own damage goes up, while the ghoul and gargoyle remains at their original damage.

Hi guys, long time lurker and decided to finally join cause I'm having a problem with Kahorie's DK Simulator . I keep getting frost sub with Bryntoll doing around 200 less dps then blood sub with Shadows Edege, and I know this can't be right. Here are the results I keep getting.

Sub Blood with Shadow's Edge

Ability	Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Glances		Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	%
ScourgeStrike	886910084	25.9	71400	12421.7	34554	48.2	7260.2	36846	51.3	17262.1	355	.5
MainHand	665554676	19.4	121260	7358	46158	37.7	4187.7	44295	36.2	8623.3	1141	.9	30807	25.2	2930.8
Ghoul	366477058	10.7	351745	1041.9	306091	87	931.9	45654	13	1779.6
DeathCoil	341244959	10	59759	5710.4	37249	62.3	4081.4	22510	37.7	8406
FrostFever	210756473	6.2	108365	1944.9	108365	100										99.7
BloodPlague	176470811	5.2	108365	1628.5	108365	100										99.7
BloodStrike	144423659	4.2	34511	4184.9	18855	54.1	2826.9	15656	44.9	5820.3	351	1
Necrosis	129302416	3.8	121260	1066.3	121260	100
Gargoyle	118394309	3.5	25731	4601.2	22358	86.9	4067.2	3373	13.1	8141
WanderingPlague	104608682	3.1	58768	1780	58768	100
BloodCakedBlade	103935165	3	36005	2886.7	36005	98.9	2886.7				395	1.1
PlagueStrike	86261018	2.5	17851	4832.3	10303	57.2	3054.2	7548	41.9	7259.4	165	.9
IcyTouch	56687182	1.7	17850	3175.8	11116	62.3	2269.1	6734	37.7	4672.4
UnholyBlight	34122350	1	59759	571	59759	100
DPS	9514
Total Damage	3425.15m	in 100h
Threat Per Second	4957
Generated in	21s
Template:	Unholy 14-0-57
Rotation:	Unholy-Reaping
Presence:	Blood
Sigil:	Virulence
RuneEnchant:	FallenCrusader
Pet Calculation:	True

Sub Frost with Bryntroll

Ability	Damage done				hits			Crits			Misses		Glances		Uptime
	Total	%	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	%	Avg	#	Avg	#	%	Avg	%
MainHand	688809117	20.6	153198	6036.3	64255	41.5	3543.6	49857	32.2	7303.4	1449	.9	39086	25.3	2481.5
ScourgeStrike	521595823	15.6	50094	10412.3	30636	60.9	6780.1	19458	38.6	16131.2	252	.5
Ghoul	409884805	12.2	387283	1058.4	337048	87	944.3	50235	13	1823.7
DeathCoil	325085996	9.7	54292	5987.7	36007	66.3	4411.2	18285	33.7	9092.3
BloodStrike	227186819	6.8	65601	3463.2	44501	67.2	2582.1	21100	31.8	5321.4	653	1
FrostFever	224881201	6.7	107376	2094.3	107376	100										97
BloodPlague	188209770	5.6	107376	1752.8	107376	100										97
Necrosis	133827055	4	153198	873.6	153198	100
Gargoyle	133575941	4	29874	4471.3	25989	87	3956.2	3885	13	7917.1
Bryntroll	115255023	3.4	32496	3546.7	32496	100	3546.7
BloodCakedBlade	109860196	3.3	45478	2415.7	45478	98.9	2415.7				489	1.1
WanderingPlague	102086556	3.1	53239	1917.5	53239	100
PlagueStrike	70362055	2.1	16699	4213.5	10353	61.4	2765.2	6346	37.7	6576.3	155	.9
IcyTouch	63814285	1.9	16698	3821.7	11085	66.4	2816.7	5613	33.6	5806.4
UnholyBlight	32520196	1	54292	599	54292	100
DPS	9297
Total Damage	3346.95m	in 100h
Threat Per Second	6288
Generated in	21s
Template:	Unholy 0-17-54
Rotation:	Unholy-ReapingLess
Presence:	Blood
Sigil:	Virulence
RuneEnchant:	FallenCrusader
Pet Calculation:	True

I am using the rotations mentioned in first post. Thanks in advance for any help

Hi,

First time poster here. Maybe not the best way to start here, since this post will contain sums and numbers

I was wondering about some of the stat weights and/or trinket rankings at the start of this great guide. I realise the stat weights are by their nature quite uncertain and should be taken as guidelines rather than strict numbers. Still, there are a couple of things I don't really understand.
I'll start with the lowest ranked trinket: Needle-Encrusted Scorpion. I don't understand why it is ranked so low. It has two components: the fixed crit and the proc. The weight of the crit at, say, i264 levels, is fairly easy: 114 * 2.1 = 239.4. Let's assume we melee hit every 3 seconds and we get a crit every 10 seconds (fully raid buffed this seems a rather slow estimate). This means we can expect the buff to kick in 5 seconds (on average) after the ICD has passed, we have an uptime of 10/50 = 20% (not the 15% listed). This yields a proc component of the trinket value as: 10/50*678*2.49 = 337.644. For a total trinket rating of just over 577.

Leaving aside some trinkets we reach the Greatness card. This has a fixed component of 90 Str or about 272.7. Then there is the proc. The chance in the tooltip seems to be 1/3 (from Rawr database). Instead of going all math geeky, we will guestimate it takes (on average) 3 seconds for the proc to kick in once the ICD has passed. (At 3 seconds hits, this is an optimistic estimate.) This gives a proc uptime of 15/48 = 0.3125. At 300 Str, this means we get 300*0.3125*3.03 = 284.0625. For a total trinket rating of 556.7625. But even setting aside delays in the proc, we get a total trinket rating of 575.7, still lower than the Needle-Encrusted Scorpion.

So why is the Greatness trinket rated as better?

Also, is the physical component of some of our attack considered a melee attack?
If we look at the Herkumi War Token, the listed ramp up time is 25 seconds. This corresponds to a quite insane amount of haste. 20 attacks in 25 seconds with a typical DK 3.4 weapon corresponds to well over 100% haste. Personally I think a ramp up time of 45 is more realistic (albeit still optimistic). Unless the physical component of some of our attacks is considered a melee attack.

the scarab uptime is so low because it has 10% to proc of a crit, not 100% to proc of a crit. about the ramp time- do not please forget that herkuml stacks not only from your white swings, but also from special abilities which help to stack it quite fast, not the 45s=) about greatness - in my experience it procs like right after the icd after the 1st or 2nd ability used/white swing which corresponds to something really close to 33% uptime. the 2nd reason people love DMC:G is that strength is the only stat that boost damage of all dmg components in every spec both for single target and aoe fights.

Thanks for the quick replies.

Ah ok, I didn't realise it only has a chance to proc on a crit.

I agree but this should be in the weighting of the stats already, i.e. the 3.03 points for Str should (and afaik do) reflect this.

Hmm. Is this true for all abilities that proc (or have a chance to proc) on melee? If so, does the same hold for crits? This would mean procs always come much faster after the ICD has passed than I (naively) assumed.