Unholy Dps | 3.3.5, King of Anything - Page 2

Consider · 08/30/09, 5:45 PM

Since you guys are way too difficult, I added the two Unholy builds to the spec section for the time being. Nothing else to really put about them, I suppose. If someone wants to provide stat weights, I can easily enough toss those in as well - unable to calculate them myself at the present.

If someone wants to start up a DW Unholy thread for more depth or whatever, feel perfectly free to, of course.

Octopi · 08/30/09, 5:47 PM

Originally Posted by Consider

Since you guys are way too difficult, I added the two Unholy builds to the spec section. Nothing else to really put about them, I suppose. If someone wants to provide stat weights, I can easily enough toss those in as well - unable to calculate them myself at the present.

Fargom is working on some stat weight numbers for 3.2 builds in general, and DW Unholy will be included. Once those are completed I will PM you immediately.

Thank you for the inclusion , it is appreciated.

Kaveli · 08/30/09, 5:55 PM

Has anyone tried a spec that includes 3/3 Subversion and 2/2 COTG? I'm not certain what is the most optimal talents to pull from unholy but it has to have some benefit in that you get both the key talents to the two top specs. I've looked through both the threads and haven't seen this discuses. Perhaps I missed it? If anyone has experience with this spec some insight would be appreciated.

edit: forgot to include sample build. Here's my rough idea of what it would look like

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

• frmorrison · 08/30/09, 5:59 PM

Since the pet discussion thread has fallen off, adding a Pet section here may be a good idea:

Ghoul Facts
* Ghouls work like most permanent pets, receiving a portion of your stats and can be buffed by the raid.
* Ghoul Strength (with talents + [Glyph of the Ghoul]) = 331+1.52*Master'sStrength.
* Ghouls receive 100% of your haste rating.
* Ghouls have AoE mitigation, 35% for each point in NotD. This is both physical and magical damage.
* Ghoul hit rating rounds down. So if you have 7.99% hit rating, the ghoul will have 7% hit rating.
* Ghouls gain expertise based on your hit rating. So if you had 131 hit (4%), the pet gains 13 expertise. 263 hit (8%), the pet gains 26 expertise. The Draenei hit aura does not give expertise to the pet.

Consider · 08/30/09, 6:31 PM

Originally Posted by Kaveli

Has anyone tried a spec that includes 3/3 Subversion and 2/2 COTG? I'm not certain what is the most optimal talents to pull from unholy but it has to have some benefit in that you get both the key talents to the two top specs. I've looked through both the threads and haven't seen this discuses. Perhaps I missed it? If anyone has experience with this spec some insight would be appreciated.

edit: forgot to include sample build. Here's my rough idea of what it would look like

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Less dps than a plain 3/13/55 spec*, which has the same benefit of threat reduction. Wandering Plague is ~1.2-1.4% per point on a single target encounter (and vastly higher on a multiple mob one). You should never, ever sacrifice points from it. It's simply an amazing investment. The loss of a point in that on top of the loss of 3 points in Desolation/Necrosis just isn't balanced out by the gain of Chill of the Grave.

*Edit: At least for me. If you are still using SotVH, then it might be better than 3/13/55, but I kinda doubt it.

ghou2008 · 08/30/09, 7:27 PM

Is it possible to include stats weight for weapon speed? thanks

Burglekutt · 08/30/09, 8:34 PM

"this spec will beat out any competitors by several hundred DPS"

Quite the claim, are you referring to other unholy specs or all DK dps specs? Some proof in an EJ thread of this claim would be nice instead of simple hearsay.

diospadre · 08/30/09, 8:37 PM

Unholy.

Consider · 08/30/09, 8:48 PM

Yes, Unholy competitors (and when you still have SotVH and 2p t8, 0/17/54 is definitely at least 150 dps boost over the alternatives. I can link sim/parse evidence if necessary, but I don't think anyone will disagree with that). I edited it to make it a bit more clear.

Originally Posted by ghou2008

Is it possible to include stats weight for weapon speed? thanks

Yeah, I put them up there. The reason I didn't bother adding them originally, despite already having them calculated, is due to most people having trouble undertanding exactly what they mean. That, and almost all 2h weapons have the same speed. But, regardless, it's now there.

holycricket · 08/30/09, 9:18 PM

great job Consider!

Im curious though, does the amount of ARpen you have ever push 3/13/55 above 0/17/54 with the new sigil? or will it simply always be inferior until you have 4 piece tier9?
Do i need a special simulator to find this out? or is the difference only in application?

Consider · 08/30/09, 9:40 PM

It's not that 4 piece tier 9 pushes 3/13/55 above 0/17/54. It's that the lack of 2 piece tier 8 - which you won't actually lose until 4 piece tier 9 - does the trick. Just a slight clarification.

But, yes, there is a point with ArP where 3/13/55 will do more dps, even with 2 piece tier 8. What that exact point is, however, has yet to be determined. You're welcome to use Kahorie's (linked in the OP) to calculate it yourself.

I have about ~280 ArP, and 3/13/55 does about 25 dps less in the last time I ran the sim, for what that shows.

Aeixious · 08/30/09, 9:47 PM

Great job :>

Leperchaun · 08/30/09, 9:51 PM

Excellent job Consider, it really needed the update.

One quick question about the rotation though, is there a reason you have OB before BS? I just figured it was just assuming you had desolation up. But on the initial cast, wouldn't you want to make sure it's up before you OB?

Consider · 08/30/09, 10:06 PM

It's 200 strength (via Sigil of Virulence) to your first two Blood Strikes and an auto-attack or two or 3-5% damage (depending on how many points you have in Desolation) to your first Obliterate and an auto-attack.

I can't honestly say which is superior. The difference is probably quite minor, if there is a noticeable one at all (Over the course of an entire fight, it's maybe a single digit dps difference. Maybe. Remember, whichever order you choose, it will only make a difference that very first rotation. Thus even if doing one order over the other is a 2,000 damage gap - extremely doubtful - over the course of a 6 minute fight? That's 6 dps).

What I can say is that the simulator does Obliterate first (due to how the priority works) and that SoV will have a slightly higher uptime if you do Obliterate first (due to how the ICD interacts with when your other Obliterates happen after that first one). Thus the reason I list the rotation as it is. Doing your Blood Strikes first, however, isn't wrong, and I would be surprised if you noticed any difference.

Sellout · 08/31/09, 1:26 AM

Fast questions I figured I would pop this out there for the math dudes.

In terms of DPS pots to pop, wouldn't the Insane strength potions outweigh the speed potions during a heroism? If I am not mistaken, haste from gear [which is dk by dk prolly 5% to 10% on avg] and the heroism already push the Gargs cast time down to 1 second and you cannot push it below that due to global cool down restrictions. Just wanted another set of eyes on this in case I am missing something.

Second question [and a great deal less important given the circumstance] would be, if lets say I just proc a comets trail and do not have access to heroism. Does that get me close enough to the 1 second cast to merit using an insane str potion over a speed potion?