Unholy Dps | 3.3.5, King of Anything - Page 225

resky · 05/21/10, 4:59 AM

Originally Posted by Sh4d0wfury

most of UH dks don't use GoD, so that there will always be one disease unsynced.

That's the problem, Glyph of Disease is both listed here and widely used as an "aoe" unholy glyph, even though it's a substantial DPS loss :<

Amroo · 05/21/10, 7:01 AM

Originally Posted by Sh4d0wfury

The ICD should be nothing to worry about, though. You can't really have your diseases unsynced, due to how pestilence works, and most of UH dks don't use GoD, so that there will always be one disease unsynced.

GoD synchronizes durations, not ticks, so it doesn't matter anyways. You can easily test this on the Ebon Hold boss dummy. If you apply BP first and FF afterwards, BP will always tick more than a second before FF, no matter how often you refresh it with GoD (this is of course only true for the primary target).

dr_AllCOM3 · 05/21/10, 7:42 AM

GoD is not a loss of aoe damage. Pestilence always makes the diseases tick at the same time for secondary targets.

Noleafclover · 05/21/10, 6:09 PM

EDIT: Just a matter of curiosity - if GoD synchronises durations but not ticks, what happens to the last, partial tick? Is it lost and just the debuff remains?

Amroo · 05/21/10, 6:24 PM

Originally Posted by Noleafclover

EDIT: Just a matter of curiosity - if GoD synchronises durations but not ticks, what happens to the last, partial tick? Is it lost and just the debuff remains?

Yes, although this is only a theoretical problem since it is the very point of the glyph to keep diseases up without interruption during the entire fight. If you have bosses like Sindragosa where diseases drop quite often it's not really a loss anyways, since you definitely get the 7 ticks you would have gotten if you reapplied diseases by PS-IT. You just don't get the 8th.

Darkleey · 05/22/10, 12:10 PM

This is a question concerning how damage multipliers work.

In ICC, we have a 15% (probably soon to be 20%) damage increase. As I understand it, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, this stacks additively with our blood presence for 30% total. The argument generally has been that blood presence > unholy presence, but what happens as this multiplier increases? Is +30% damage + 15% haste > +45% damage? What about on BQL, is +130% damage + 15% haste > +145% damage? I know these are generally simplified numbers, we have even more % multipliers, but has anyone given thought to this? Another DK and myself did some rough tests on BQL and found UP to be more effective once we were bitten.

dr_AllCOM3 · 05/22/10, 2:12 PM

Originally Posted by Darkleey

This is a question concerning how damage multipliers work.

In ICC, we have a 15% (probably soon to be 20%) damage increase. As I understand it, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, this stacks additively with our blood presence for 30% total. The argument generally has been that blood presence > unholy presence, but what happens as this multiplier increases? Is +30% damage + 15% haste > +45% damage? What about on BQL, is +130% damage + 15% haste > +145% damage? I know these are generally simplified numbers, we have even more % multipliers, but has anyone given thought to this? Another DK and myself did some rough tests on BQL and found UP to be more effective once we were bitten.

Almost everything in WoW is multiplicative.
Blood presence is always better than unholy. Maybe that will change, when haste affects our dots and runes.

Necromir · 05/27/10, 7:00 PM

I know the discussion went back and forth quite a bit but was it ever settled as to /cancelaura for the shadowmourne was a dps increase or decrease for us? I've tried both and on avg it seems it's a decrease to cancel.

ObsidiusDK · 05/27/10, 7:22 PM

Going into 25-man Sindragosa Heroic for the first time in about 40 minutes and was wondering if I can stay inside during her Blistering Cold (I believe that's the name of the spell) AoE on phase one and just AMS soak the damage like on normal mode or is it basically a one-shot in Heroic?

Necromir · 05/27/10, 7:23 PM

i usually use AMS on heroic to drop my melee stacks. With the 20% buff I'm sure with BS+AMS up you'd live.

resky · 05/27/10, 9:55 PM

Originally Posted by Necromir

I know the discussion went back and forth quite a bit but was it ever settled as to /cancelaura for the shadowmourne was a dps increase or decrease for us? I've tried both and on avg it seems it's a decrease to cancel.

Canceling is an increase in the uptime of swirly purple ghost things at the cost of a small dps loss.

dr_AllCOM3 · 05/27/10, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by ObsidiusDK

Going into 25-man Sindragosa Heroic for the first time in about 40 minutes and was wondering if I can stay inside during her Blistering Cold (I believe that's the name of the spell) AoE on phase one and just AMS soak the damage like on normal mode or is it basically a one-shot in Heroic?

You survive, but you drop down to 20%. I don't recommend it, since there's no need to hurry in that fight.

Helheimr · 05/28/10, 4:23 PM

A properly timed AMS (~0.5 sec before Blistering Cold finishes) along with Bone Shield and your HP barely budges on Sindragosa. All you have to make sure is to RP Dump and restart your rotation with an IT instead of PS to get rid of Chilled to the Bone stacks prior to Blistering Cold so a tick of it doesn't eat through your absorb.

I've been sitting put for every Blistering Cold (pre-30%, sub is a decent amount trickier to pull off) since before Hellscream's Warsong buff on heroic 25; not having to waste time running around drastically increases your possible DPS. This week with 20% I believe I hit ~14800 DPS with no tricks/etc. It's pretty much the fight that Death Knights dominate on in the instance.

Ashylarry · 05/30/10, 9:33 AM

Originally Posted by Helheimr

A properly timed AMS (~0.5 sec before Blistering Cold finishes) along with Bone Shield and your HP barely budges on Sindragosa. All you have to make sure is to RP Dump and restart your rotation with an IT instead of PS to get rid of Chilled to the Bone stacks prior to Blistering Cold so a tick of it doesn't eat through your absorb.

I've been sitting put for every Blistering Cold (pre-30%, sub is a decent amount trickier to pull off) since before Hellscream's Warsong buff on heroic 25; not having to waste time running around drastically increases your possible DPS. This week with 20% I believe I hit ~14800 DPS with no tricks/etc. It's pretty much the fight that Death Knights dominate on in the instance.

This is the case for normal version Sindragosa, but definitely not the heroic version. Even with AMS and bone shield you still drop down to about 20% on heroic version as was stated earlier.

Dmntd-Sc · 05/30/10, 11:54 AM

Could someone explain how 20hit to gloves is better then 15str?
if u need the hit isn't it better to just do str/hit?