Unholy Dps | 3.3.5, King of Anything - Page 232

Therosian · 07/15/10, 2:56 PM

Guessing it has something to do with the Pet UI. Seeing as you can only have 1 pet at a time, the debuff was an attempt by blizzard to work around that limitation. Further backing this theory is the fact the the gargoyle responds as a pet, following the same commands that you give your ghoul. Also noted, when you change targets with your gargoyle/ghoul, your main target will lose the debuff, and the secondary target will not gain the debuff. Noticed this several times on PP when switching to the oozes.

Alas, I have no information to back these claimes up, just something that I have personally noticed.

Shaqattack · 07/17/10, 4:18 AM

Originally Posted by MikeMo

If I am wrong, please correct me.

I start out the fight with Army, put up diseases, haste pot, hit SS which also activates my eng glove haste enchant, then BS twice for desolation, ERW, DC once to remove excess RP and SS two more times to get my sigil STR bonus up. By this time my SM has proc'd Chaos bane, DV proc is still up, DBW proc is up, Unholy STR is most likely up and the haste pot/eng glove ench is still up and 3x stack of the sigil buff is up.

I have two questions based on the above.

1. Is getting all my buffs up as I do and then summoning my Gargoyle more beneficial than using a pre-haste pot and only having some of those procs up (no chaos bane, only 1x STR stack from your sigil, sometimes Unholy STR hasn't proc'd yet) or doing it how I outlined and not pre-haste potting and having every single buff you can possibly have up before summoning?

2. Assuming what I do is correct is me firing off a DC after ERW a good idea or should I just eat the RP?

You can get addons to watch the stats your gargoyle and pet gain, I use tectonic attack power and on screen stat display to show AP and haste. Then just once your talented/gear procs come up pop the haste on your gloves, blood fury, and a haste pot. With bloodlust if you're procs line up right off the bat unholy has some nice burst.

Ducka · 07/22/10, 2:38 AM

I have a question regarding empty GCDs.

My DK is my first melee character.. and I'm noticing occasionally I am only auto attacking for a few seconds waiting for SS to come up. With casters, I'm used to always having a GCD being used.

Using the rotation on the first post, I PS IT BS SS BS DC HoW > PS IT SS BS SS BS DC DC

Now, on the second part, when I get to the second SS I have to wait ~2-3 seconds for it to come up. Is this normal, or am I missing something in the rotation.

kelben · 07/22/10, 3:10 AM

I was talking with a warrior friend about his alt DK and he came up with a question I couldn't really answer. Is it worth reapplying your diseases when you have self procs trigger, ie trinkets, fallen crusader etc. I said no, but I couldn't really defend my answer when he started comparing tick differences. The best answer I could come with was by reapplying diseases you loose a SS and burn an extra GCD. Is that correct? The overall disease dmg you'd gain is not enough compensate for the SS and GCD loss.

khel · 07/22/10, 5:23 AM

Originally Posted by Ducka

Is this normal, or am I missing something in the rotation.

It's normal to have downtime in your cycle as Unholy. You just fill those gaps with either bombs if you are an engineer, or use Horn of Winter to gain some runic power, or do Blood Tap + Bone Shield if you need to refresh it. If you are smart about when to use AMS to gain runic power then you can minimize these periods of downtime.

pindle · 07/22/10, 5:54 AM

Originally Posted by kelben

I was talking with a warrior friend about his alt DK and he came up with a question I couldn't really answer. Is it worth reapplying your diseases when you have self procs trigger, ie trinkets, fallen crusader etc. I said no, but I couldn't really defend my answer when he started comparing tick differences. The best answer I could come with was by reapplying diseases you loose a SS and burn an extra GCD. Is that correct? The overall disease dmg you'd gain is not enough compensate for the SS and GCD loss.

You're not only losing a SS, your're also messing up your rotation by using F+U earlier than you should therefor clipping the diseases and losing the remaining ticks as well. Not worth it.

Lamperouqe · 08/02/10, 5:19 AM

A thing came to my mind about Pestilence on Vile Spirits. As Pestilence's range starts from where you are and not from where the target is, would I be able to spread my diseases to more Vile Spirits by jumping and Pestilencing? I know there's an urban legend about your position not refreshing on the server when you jump until you touch the ground again, so I was just wondering if anyone has any information about that being true or false and if jumping increases Pestilence's range upwards or not.

E:
Tested by dueling and trying to Pestilence the diseases from a mob and it didn't work. If the Pestilence doesn't reach from where you stand it won't even if you jump. It might've been lag or something else as well, but at least I never managed to increase the range by jumping.

E2:

Originally Posted by Jeffy on Skype

Checks made against the player only rely on X and Y coordinates. On the other hand playermade checks like determining whether or not a mob is in range actually relies on the X, Y and Z data gathered by the client itself.

In theory it should work, but the time spent in air is so small when you consider all the variables, reaction time and lag it might not be possible or Pestilence as an ability just doesn't work that way.

bsolar · 08/02/10, 7:50 AM

Originally Posted by Lamperouqe

As Pestilence's range starts from where you are and not from where the target is

As far as I remember originally Pestilence was centered on the target. Long ago, since for some very large mob it was giving problems, it was changed it so that it spreads from between the target and the DK.

Eleetmo · 08/09/10, 3:35 AM

Originally Posted by bsolar

As far as I remember originally Pestilence was centered on the target. Long ago, since for some very large mob it was giving problems, it was changed it so that it spreads from between the target and the DK.

On LK heroic I double Pest on Vile Spirits. Once standing still and once while moving LK to the other side to ensure i maximize my range. Seems to work well.

rocco1015 · 08/11/10, 2:41 PM

Originally Posted by Armagedous

Why would you waste a GCD/rune on the Vile Spirits.

To put Ebon Plaguebringer on as many vile spirits as possible, thus allowing casters to burn them down faster. It is not to pad personal dps, but raid dps as a whole.

Armagedous · 08/11/10, 3:09 PM

Originally Posted by rocco1015

To put Ebon Plaguebringer on as many vile spirits as possible, thus allowing casters to burn them down faster. It is not to pad personal dps, but raid dps as a whole.

I am under the impression that most (if not all) guilds on H LK use soaks instead of killing vile spirits.

rh8452 · 08/12/10, 10:59 AM

That is correct.

There is no reason to use runes on pestilence on vile spirits during phase 3 aside from padding DPS meters, at least using the Paragon positioning strat (which most guilds use).

korsun · 08/14/10, 6:10 PM

Is this rotation still correct?

Initial: IT – PS – Pestilence – DnD – DC – HoW
SS – BS – BB – SS – DC – DC
SS – Pestilence – DnD – DC – HoW

I understand how this rortation works on paper, but the problem I'm seeing is the cool down time on DnD. None of the 3 talent specs ( Blood Sub-spec Without Reaping / Frost Sub-spec Without Reaping / Blood Sub-spec With Reaping) have Morbidity.

neomasterc · 08/15/10, 1:51 AM

Originally Posted by korsun

I understand how this rortation works on paper, but the problem I'm seeing is the cool down time on DnD. None of the 3 talent specs ( Blood Sub-spec Without Reaping / Frost Sub-spec Without Reaping / Blood Sub-spec With Reaping) have Morbidity.

Think of aoe as more of a priority. Spread diseases>DnD>BB.

sìyeg · 08/17/10, 8:32 PM

Originally Posted by neomasterc

Think of aoe as more of a priority. Spread diseases>DnD>BB.

I might be wrong but after you spread and DnD all of your runes would be on cd correct? So you couldnt BB right away so the DC in between would be fine or would they be done by then?