It's not so much a matter of taking the wrong aura for the vortex as simply not switching auras for the vortex. The latter is generally a dps gain (from my experience, anyways) in normal Valks (on heroic, you'll die to the vortex, AMS or not), but I do suppose it all depends on where/how your guild tanks them.

Regardless, I'll add a note about that (and about Icehowl) when I make a bunch of updates in an edit this evening. Probably won't be until after my raid, however.

Edit: Also, after doing an Emalon pug (pug, meaning I didn't bother to use consumables, wasn't getting anything special like tricks, probably were missing half of the needed raid buffs, didn't change glyphs to AoE, etc) and pulling 13k dps sustained... I feel pretty confident in saying our AoE damage will be getting nerfed sometime in the not so distant future. I'm just curious what I would have been at were it a real raid ><. Alas.

Not having epidemic is actually a boon in AoE scenarios such as Emalon or Yogg+0 (or any AoE fight where adds are constantly spawning). The fact that new adds are getting disease up on them quicker (every 10 instead of every 20 seconds) is probably enough, in and of itself, to balance that single BB loss.

The BS change is more irritating then it looked on paper =/.

How come you were AoEing in the emalon fight Consider? Just trying to max your dps?:P And how much of an upgrade did you find the patch for single target? I can see how the disease problem is though, I found the same problem last week when we were doing 10 man toc heroic on anub, feels a bit clunky to keep refreshing the diseases every rotation. Did you manage to keep a 100% BS uptime?

It is really irritating.

my blood strike crits 33% of the time. my SS crits 51% of the time. and my average bloos strike damage was 1804, my average SS damage was 5367 (divide that by 2) for 2683.

The World of Warcraft Armory

target dummy, about 3-4 mins. self buffs and debuffs, with 3/10/58

1) Your spec is kinda wrong. Black Ice will favor SS, yes, even though it was shown earlier on to be inferior to a blood subspec. If you are going to go the Black Ice route, however, you still messed it up. 1/3 BCB? 2/2 IUP? Other oddities.

2) Target dummy means you had no raid buffs and the dummy had no raid debuffs, which is enough to invalidate everything. BS benefits more from such things than SS does. Statements in the OP are not optimized for target dummy dps, I'll admit, and as such might not hold true there.

Semi-irrelevant, but you have too much hit. Should swap the str/hit gem in your legs for a str/haste gem. Should do the same with your str/crit gem in your waste.

Also shouldn't be using GoSS, especially not with Epidemic.

For someone who is in a solidly progressed guild and appears to be well-experienced on a personal level, you seem to have missed/ignored/something all the conversation in the past handful of pages (the sum of which is the OP) - or so it seems judging by your spec/glyphs/your claim.

This thread has shifted from using obliterate to using SS, and speccing in the blood tree instead of the frost tree.

Necrosis is definitely not 1% dps per point. Not in any circumstance. It hasn't been that strong in a long, long time. This is pretty basic and pretty easily calculated. If you don't know/can't figure that out, /shrug.

Anyways, the OP is not meant to explain each and every single facet of Unholy dps. If it was, then there wouldn't be any reason to reply to it, and this thread would never be beyond one post. What it is intended to do (and what I believe it does do) is sufficiently summarize the findings of the thread as a whole in a manner which makes it easier for those who don't necessarily care about the intricacies to know what's up - what builds are viable, what rotation to use, how to gear, so on. For those who do care about the intricacies, complexities, and actual math, they are the ones who are more willing to look through the thread and find such things.

If I did put all of the math in that front post, it would confuse and lose a lot more people than it would help/than would possibly care.

Such is my take on what the OP (and OPs of similar threads) should be - not a compendium explaining every known fact about their subject, but a summary which presents all of the current proven conclusions on their subject in an eye-pleasing and easily understandable manner... with the indepth math and such in that thread itself.

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Loses so much value relative to how it was for Oblit builds, you mean? I can't honestly say why that's the case. What I can say is that I did run the EP values several times, so I am fairly sure those are accurate. If anything, I think the possible error is more a matter of the Oblit build stat weights having had expertise too high than these having it too low.

Also, something to remember: stat weights are relative to one another within a single set of weights, not relative to the stats in other stat weights. You can't actually look at and say "Expertise is worse now then it was before!". All you can say is "Expertise is worse now relative to AP and other stats than it was previously". It's vitally different. If AP jumped in value this patch, while expertise stayed the same, you would notice expertise dropping in terms of EP when, in reality, it wouldn't be any more or less potent than before.

I'm not saying that explains it. It probably doesn't. I'm simply saying that comparing stat weights cross spec is not something you can technically do - not without knowing how much AP is 1 dps for each set of weights.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but in my sims (and on live) I'm finding that the 16-0-55 NoEpid/IT Glyph spec is running inferior to 14-0-57 Epid/UB Glyph spec by about 60dps. What is even more interesting is that this 15-0-56 1/2 Epidemic build w/UB Glyph is pushing the highest dps for my sims.


My only explanation for it is that the dps gain from epidemic outweighs the gain from Bladed Armor, which is what I'm giving up to get 1/2 Epidemic.

Consider, some of the spec links from OP are not working. maybe you confused them.

Edit : Works great. Thanks.

Am I doing something wrong?

Using:

PS - IT - SS - BS - BS - DC - (HoW) - DC
PS - IT - SS - BS - BS - DC - DC

After the first rotation (with HoW) I am able to get 2 Death Coils off every single other rotation without having to use Horn of Winter at all.