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Intropy · 10/02/09, 7:52 PM

Originally Posted by Fargom

Aren't you still performing the same number of each attacks in a certain time period? You are just swappiong a SS and an IT/PS. Really can't see how this would make much of a difference at all dps wise since the diseases aren't falling off.

2+1+2 = 5
1+2+2 = 5

Not if you can keep doing it. If you can push it back by one each rotation you'd trade IT + PS for SS every two rotations on average.

Consider · 10/02/09, 8:10 PM

You can?

IT - PS - SS - BS - BS - DC - DC
SS - IT - PS - BS - BS - DC - DC
SS - SS - BS - BS - DC - DC
???

That's when things get messed up. That third rotation. Diseases will drop before your last DC which is a huge loss (in disease damage, in DC damage boosted by diseases, and in raid damage if EP is the only spell debuff present and it drops). And the gain? Extremely minimal. The difference between SS and IT + PS is a few hundred, if that, something easily remedied by the additional RP (15 more now, 5 more next patch).

Yes, occasionally you can do SS before the IT - PS. You can do it every other 'rotation', in fact, which is pretty often. But it doesn't actually change the damage you deal, as Fargom showed, because you then have to adjust your next rotation in the same manner. The only way you can try to squeeze extra dps out of it is if you try to sneak in an extra SS the following rotation forgoing a disease refresh but, as shown, that just isn't worth it. It's not a dps gain.

Foxx2405 · 10/03/09, 6:26 AM

Originally Posted by Intropy

Not if you can keep doing it. If you can push it back by one each rotation you'd trade IT + PS for SS every two rotations on average.

That's not possible unless you have 3 sets of UF runes. Because the gap will simply be too large.

There is no real point in switching IT/PS and SS around, because you still perform the same 10 attacks in those 10 seconds, and you keep diseases up.
Even if you wanted, it means dropping diseases. Which means a loss of Ebon Plague, disease ticks and RoR. I'm pretty sure those are a bigger dps loss (not only for you but raid wide as well) as getting out an extra SS every 2-3 rotations.

I'm personally somewhat curious about the new IT glyph and how that might change our rotation.
IT+PS still look pretty strong even after the glyph change. I guess that depends on whether the damage gain by using SS over IT+PS, is worth more than 5 extra RP (currently 15 extra RP; changing to 5 after the patch) and 2 free talent points (epidemic).

On a third note; Does this mean that improved Unholy Presence builds are a thing of the past? I have read some claims about it, but when you think about it, we lose 1 DC every 40 seconds, that frees up 1 GCD every 40 seconds. Which still means that 1 out of 2 rotations remain unchanged.

saifury · 10/03/09, 9:58 AM

Hi i was just wondering if the glyph of icy touch is bugged in 3.2.2 because it doesnt give the additional 10 runic power for me. So when I cast an icy touch I only gain 10 runic power in total. Is this happening to anyone else?
Also can you implement a temporary glyph I/we could use until this is fixed?

Thanks

Edit: Looks like I got an infraction for this post... "Reason: 6. Do not post unless you have something new and worthwhile to say."
I thought what I said was new because I searched the forum and no one has posted a topic on this... Also worthwhile because if this glyph wasn't work it would mean a total waste of a major glyph slot.

diospadre · 10/03/09, 10:10 AM

It works fine.

Tushee · 10/03/09, 11:19 AM

Im a bit confused with AP/Crit with 4pc numbers. Does it mean that with t9 4 pc bonus [Wrathstone] would be actually batter then [Dark Matter] for 2nd trinket slot as UH? Or at last they come really close.

Facebreaker · 10/03/09, 11:44 AM

You will always want AP before crit.

Originally Posted by saifury

Hi i would just like to point out that glyph of icy touch is bugged in 3.2.2 which means that they dont give the additional 10 runic power. so when u cast an icy touch you only gain 10 runic power in total.
Can you implement a temporary glyph we can use until this is fixed?

Thanks

If it is "broken", there are optional glyphs on this thread. GoSS wouldn't be too bad either.

elive · 10/03/09, 11:45 AM

SS taken yesterday from PTR,tooltip show 1min but the buff is 5min

They change again BS back to 5min or its just a bug? (i hope its not a bug

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Facebreaker · 10/03/09, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by elive

SS taken yesterday from PTR,tooltip show 1min but the buff is 5min

They change again BS back to 5min or its just a bug? (i hope its not a bug

)

Delete your cache folder and see if it changes.

Azrac · 10/03/09, 11:55 AM

Gyph aint broken, it just don't give you 20 outright, it gives you 10 then another 10 a milisecond later

zagor · 10/03/09, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Tushee

Im a bit confused with AP/Crit with 4pc numbers. Does it mean that with t9 4 pc bonus [Wrathstone] would be actually batter then [Dark Matter] for 2nd trinket slot as UH? Or at last they come really close.

Originally Posted by Facebreaker

You will always want AP before crit.

My napkin mats says Wrathstone is worth 108*2+856*20/120=358AP and Dark Matter is 222+612*2*10/60=426AP.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Also something slightly off-topic, regarding rolling diseases with Glyph of Disease. The proc from [Dark Matter] gets memorized when rolling diseases and that plus 4T9 looks to be interesting.

Facebreaker · 10/03/09, 1:37 PM

Originally Posted by zagor

My napkin mats says Wrathstone is worth 108*2+856*20/120=358AP and Dark Matter is 222+612*2*10/60=426AP.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Also something slightly off-topic, regarding rolling diseases with Glyph of Disease. The proc from [Dark Matter] gets memorized when rolling diseases and that plus 4T9 looks to be interesting.

With the Dark Matter proc, it outperforms Wrathstone anyway. Dark Matter > Wrathstone atm

syntaxsmurf · 10/03/09, 4:28 PM

I seem to be having an harder and harder time keeping up on raid DPS.
I was wondering if people would kindly post a few WWS/WMOS from ToC normal/Heroic for general reference.
I'd like to see if I am the problem or if my dps is on par with rest of the unholy community as a whole.

Something I am quite curious about aswell, how much did you're DPS increase gaining 4 x tier9?

The main reason i post something that might seem rather trivial, my guild runs a survival of the fittest principal.
Which is cool but I am barely keeping up as it is right now. Being somewhat undergeared might explain it. But as I like to do my research I wan't WWS/WMOs to compare myself to.

Best regards

Kaejin · 10/03/09, 4:49 PM

4pt9 is amazing for all DK specs, but especially for unholy. If you have a bunch of emblems stocked up, it's worth dumping them to get Conq pieces of t9 just for the 4p, especially if your raid spot is on the line (the item level boost for the pieces you replace doesn't hurt either).

You'll laugh yourself silly next time you do twins after you get the 4p bonus.

syntaxsmurf · 10/03/09, 4:53 PM

Originally Posted by Kaejin

4pt9 is amazing for all DK specs, but especially for unholy. If you have a bunch of emblems stocked up, it's worth dumping them to get Conq pieces of t9 just for the 4p, especially if your raid spot is on the line (the item level boost for the pieces you replace doesn't hurt either).

You'll laugh yourself silly next time you do twins after you get the 4p bonus.

its really worth getting the inferior pieces? I got the badges for it I reckon, just allways struck me like a stupid thing to buy the shit parts.