I am doing the sims with 3.3 conditions and without, and i know how to do it. I have done hundreds of sims before with the simulator in 3.2.2 and posted my results to prove, that epidemic and reaping are not worth it in 3.2.2.

And now you come here and tell me, how to actually do sims? I did the sims with the same numbers i used pages ago. I am not just adding numbers. But I think, you did not even see them, as you are just responding to this one post, without actually taking part in the whole discussion.

Look at this post to see the PTR numbers: http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t72364-u...9/#post1432781

Look at this post to see the Sim numbers as of 1.1.7.2 http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t72364-u...9/#post1432051

See the difference? Enough proof for you?

Bolded key words to help clarify.

ok so im assumeing the rotation would be then:

PS > IT > BS > BS > SS > DC > HoW > DC > SS > Pest > BS > SS > DC > HoW > SS > DC > SS > SS > DC then repeat

I guess thats seems correct :p

You need to go through two rune rotations to get all your procs going and apply your diseases with maximum AP. So the following would be that part:

PS > IT > BS > BS > SS > DC > HoW > DC

PS > IT > SS > SS > DC > DC

After you go through the first two rune rotations you then would follow:

SS > Pest > BS > SS > DC > HoW

SS > DC > SS > SS > DC

Until either your diseases fall off due to movement, fight end etc and have to reapply them by going back to the first rotation.

I know the simulator is currently flawed, hence why the new top spec and all of the other relevant information are not based solely on it, certainly not. They're based on common sense, simple math, parses, and, yes, the simulator (to an extent).

If you think it's incorrect in any way, I would be happy to argue it, although I'm not sure what you could disagree with.

• Epidemic? Even before the SS change, we were going to take it, purely due to GoIT.
• Bladed Armor over Necrosis? People already do this for AoE fights, and it is noted later that Necrosis is still superior from a strictly single target perspective.
• Reaping? Take Potlol's 10.6k average SS (which is actually going to be more like the 11.6k my latest math showed, since that parse is from when Subversion and Vicious Strikes were not affecting the shadow portion). His average BS was apporoximately 3500. 11600 - 7000 = 4600 every 20 seconds = 230 dps, or 77 dps per point (at 8k dps, that's 0.96%. At 9k dps, that's 0.86%). That's more than any accepted value of Necrosis.

Everything else is already proven and accepted.

So, no. The simulator is not the sole source for that spec, or any other. It all stands up to logic and math, and I'll happy hear any proof anyone produces showing something else superior.

Edit: The latest version of the sim does appear to be accurate and bug free. And it also appears to support 17/0/54's supremacy. For the curious, it shows an SS average of 4381 (physical) + 7737 (shadow) = 12,118, which is slightly higher than what I had, but not significantly so.

Calculating stat weights at the moment, and hopefully those will fit (as those were the least certain aspect previously, hence why nothing specific was tossed into the OP).

I'm looking at the WoL for tonights Festergut and I got similar results to the latest version of the sim.

http://hdimage.org/images/4ghl2mafczwm2lb4uwhs.jpg

PTR Avg SS - 11669
SIM Avg SS - 11588

I'm using the same gear as I have on the armory on the PTR and for the SIM.

AttackPower	1
Strength	2.95
Agility	1.78
CritRating	2.43
HasteRating	1.02
ArmorPenetrationRating	1.91
ExpertiseRating	1.97
BeforeMeleeHitCap<8%	4.89
SpellHitRating	9.82
WeaponDPS	7.08

It's still messing up on spell hit, but the other stats should be accurate, and seem in line with other findings/what would be logical. This is without 4p t9.

Haste still seems a bit low, but I guess it makes sense. We're no longer taking Necrosis, which is a huge boon for the value of haste. We're no longer taking Glyph of the Ghoul, which is a moderate contributer. We're doing more damage overall, but from an absolute sense, less of our damage is coming from auto-attack + ghoul, thus the value of haste is going to go down relatively speaking. And, of course, we're not hurting for GCDs.

Makes sense when one thinks about it.

Actually, one should already be using GoIT (having swapped out GotG for GoD). GoIT is superior to GotG by about 20 dps, and when you consider how far it pulls ahead on AoE fights, it's a simple choice. Unless, of course, your pet isn't surviving.

But, anyways, the difference between GoD and GotG is about 150 dps-ish, last I checked.

Edit: Hmmm. Fooling around with different stuff and what have you, it seems GoD is back to simming lower in "many fights of X length", which could make its value debatable, again. It still pulls ahead in a regular simulation, easily, but that's always been the case, more or less.

Decisions, decisions.

It should be noted that those numbers were before subversion / vicious strikes effected scourge strike. Griefknight posted numbers that are up to date with the current ptr build.

@Consider

At 400 second fights (longer then average boss fights) and lower, DD / GH / IT glyphs beat disease glyph, when testing the disease rotation and having less then a second to refresh them with pestilence I would much rather run without it. Disease glyph only wins out when your diseases don't drop, and only that at 430+ (don't have exact number) fights which is substantially longer then your average boss fight, but then again when you add in multiple targets disease glyph should win.

As it stands with the current ptr build the best bet is to just have some ghoul / disease glyphs handy and sub them around for each fight, since you basically spec around the boss you're trying to kill, but for a short patchwerk like fight, ghoul glyph seems to be beating disease.

Makes sense. The main thing which boggles me about it is why such a cutoff point wasn't showing previously. If anything, Disease should be more attractive now, as SS has received nothing but buffs. Perhaps I or others were simply missing something, or messed up somewhere. Doesn't matter any which way now.

You'll still want to carry around Pest glyphs (along with DnD) for not just >400 second fights, but also AoE fights, as it will (without doubt) win there, for obvious reasons.

Anyways, that section of the OP is updated.

Also, for the record, my 11.6k estimation just so happens to match Griefknight's numbers. Just saying!

Stat weights running Ghoul instead of Disease:

AttackPower	1
Strength	3.05
Agility	1.63
CritRating	2.31
HasteRating	1.08
ArmorPenetrationRating	1.88
ExpertiseRating	2.55
BeforeMeleeHitCap<8%	3.6
SpellHitRating	1.01
WeaponDPS	6.92

The value of hit, specifically spell hit, becomes much more normal. Str goes up a bit, for obvious reasons. Agility/Crit/ArP/WeaponDps all drop somewhat, since you're only doing 80% as many SS's as before, and the main reason the value of those four stats jumped so much was solely because of the SS changes. Expertise went up some, although I'm not really sure why - the value doesn't seem irregular though, so whatever.

Normal enough values for me to trust them and throw them up into the OP.

There's a bit of math in Blood thread that shows using pestilence more frequently than 21 seconds in only around 50dps loss for blood (and should be less for unholy since HS>>BS).
http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t61176-b...8/#post1433600
However simulator probably doesn't work like that.