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Old 12/10/09, 8:37 PM   #1456
Imenja
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Sisters of Elune
The shadow portion of Scourge Strike does not seem to be critting anymore as of today (yes, recount screenshot):



Edit: Too slow!

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Old 12/10/09, 8:44 PM   #1457
Sylari
Piston Honda
 
Human Paladin
 
Cenarion Circle
Sorry, this might be just Onyxia deep breathing more often, but I've noticed I haven't gotten the shadow portion of my scourge strike to crit at all today...


edit: nevermind, delete post.. been said twice already >_>

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Old 12/10/09, 8:45 PM   #1458
Saradomon
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Dwarf Death Knight
 
Alleria
How much of a DPS nerf is the hotfix going to be?

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Old 12/10/09, 8:54 PM   #1459
dr_AllCOM3
Great Tiger
 
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Orc Death Knight
 
Blutkessel (EU)
Originally Posted by daia View Post
Hotfix/bug deployed that prevents the Shadow portion of Scourge Strike from critting.
I was just about to post that .

Originally Posted by Saradomon View Post
How much of a DPS nerf is the hotfix going to be?
I modified the sim.
Fotm GoD spec with ToC items:
Before10426
After9409
That's about 10% less damage.
DC/IT/Ghoul glyphs are the top choice again.
New (ToC level with T10 bonuses) weights are:
AttackPower 1
Strength 3,02
Agility 1,3
CritRating 1,97
HasteRating 0,86
ArmorPenetrationRating 2
ExpertiseRating 1,56
BeforeMeleeHitCap<8% 3,33
SpellHitRating 0,85

Last edited by dr_AllCOM3 : 12/10/09 at 9:47 PM.


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Old 12/10/09, 9:17 PM   #1460
Saradomon
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Alleria
Seems a bit extreme, but i'm sure other classes would have demanded change soon anyway.

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Old 12/10/09, 9:18 PM   #1461
Sylari
Piston Honda
 
Human Paladin
 
Cenarion Circle
Ghostcrawler confirms hotnerf

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Old 12/10/09, 9:32 PM   #1462
daia
Von Kaiser
 
Goblin Warrior
 
<Og>
Burning Legion
Modified simulator is showing that we go back to our old ways. No Reaping. No Glyph of Disease on single target. A gain of about 60 DPS in my gear with these switches.

In better gear, both eventually come back into style.

Leather gear is now extremely unattractive for Unholy DKs. Arpen has dropped in value enough so that it is less than a 100 dps gain gemming it in the best of the best gear on a single target.

I'm getting Haste and Crit to be about the same level of EP. Crit has dropped a ton, which explains why the leather is now very undesirable.

Last edited by daia : 12/10/09 at 9:50 PM.

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Old 12/10/09, 9:42 PM   #1463
dr_AllCOM3
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Blutkessel (EU)
Originally Posted by daia View Post
Modified simulator is showing that we go back to our old ways. No Reaping. No Glyph of Disease on single target. A gain of about 60 DPS in my gear with these switches.
Could you please show me that spec? I can not copy that with my results. 12-0-59 with max Necrosis is the top spec for me.

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Old 12/10/09, 9:45 PM   #1464
Saradomon
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Alleria
Anyone have an idea on the spec in response to this nerf?

Edit: Beat to the punch.

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Old 12/10/09, 9:50 PM   #1465
diospadre
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Mal'Ganis
Saradome it's safe to assume people will post these things without your asking.

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Old 12/10/09, 9:51 PM   #1466
daia
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Goblin Warrior
 
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Burning Legion
Originally Posted by dr_AllCOM3 View Post
Could you please show me that spec? I can not copy that with my results.
I originally just compared 3/3 Reaping 2/3 Morbidity 0/5 Necrosis to 0/3, 3/3, 2/5 in my current gear and got slightly higher results without Reaping. Loading in some ICC gear brought Reaping back into style. GoD, too!

GoD only gets about 30~ dps higher than Dark Death in the very best ICC gear.


I do get the highest DPS with 12/0/59. Necrosis seems to edge out Dark Conviction by about 10 dps.

Now with quickly optimized BiS lists: http://pastie.org/738441.txt

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Old 12/10/09, 10:28 PM   #1467
Consider
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Dragonblight
On the plus side, I had a song title ready for the thread and the inevitable. On the down side, didn't really see it coming a day after.

At any rate, so far, my findings are mirroring Daia, more or less. Expect a front post update tomorrow (or Saturday, pending work), as I figure how to frame some areas, and ensure all conclusions are completely accurate. That, and I'm not really in the mood to completely revamp the entire front page after having just done so, except this time nothing could be done in advance.

That aside, not much else to say. Dps will still be ahead of what it was last patch, simply behind what it was for the past 24 hours, although the loss of dps is the least of my concerns regarding this change.

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Old 12/10/09, 10:32 PM   #1468
clowningaround
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Human Death Knight
 
Arygos
did the scourge strike tooltip change accurately as well? Now says 60% + 576 physical

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Old 12/10/09, 10:33 PM   #1469
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Originally Posted by daia View Post
I do get the highest DPS with 12/0/59. Necrosis seems to edge out Dark Conviction by about 10 dps.http://pastie.org/738408.txt
Probably want to stick with 17/0/54, since you'll see much greater returns on AoE with Dark Conviction, especially if the difference is a mere 10 DPS.

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See this is how engineers argue! Why the fuck we gotta have 17 page threads on how much Diablo 3 sucks I blame liberal arts majors

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Old 12/10/09, 10:49 PM   #1470
Jonneh
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Outland (EU)
[20:39:25.956] Jonneh casts Scourge Strike on Fjola Lightbane
[20:39:26.031] Jonneh Scourge Strike Fjola Lightbane Absorb (15006)
[20:39:26.513] Jonneh Scourge Strike Fjola Lightbane Absorb (90582)
[20:39:31.648] Jonneh casts Scourge Strike on Fjola Lightbane
[20:39:31.666] Jonneh Scourge Strike Fjola Lightbane *14934*
[20:39:32.100] Jonneh Scourge Strike Fjola Lightbane *97190* (R: 4541)

It was nice while it lasted

Hardly surprising though really, but even so I think there could have been better solutions. How could they have failed to see this on the ptr and catch it then if its so unacceptable? The above paste is from one fight with insane buff available (Which has always done similar on WP), I suppose 20k double crits on normal targets is still on the high side.

Will have to wait and see where we stand after all is said and done!

Voicing my support here for your thread Consider, as I can't do so on the US forums. Nobody will listen, but it should still be said.

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