since dark conviction obviously wont be as good anymore and bladed armor isnt scaling that great either, how about a 7/10/53+1 build? Black Ice should be a decent talent, considering it affects most of our dmg.

Black Ice is still not worth it. No more of our dps is shadow now then it was in 3.2.2. Slightly less, in fact. Thus the talent is as unattractive as ever (not because it's a bad talent, but because it's an expensive one, with twice it's actual cost).

I really just hate that they keep switching this on us. I just blew a ton of DKP on armor pen boots from ICC25.

Furthermore, have a look at T10 gear. Theres armor pen on almost everything. Does this mean Blood becomes the more attractive spec for most encounters?

I'm thinking about setting up blood as my second spec and using it for single target fights and then swapping to unholy aoe spec/gear for aoe.

Also, is there a chance that the shadow portion of SS isnt hitting at all? I'm decked out in close to BiS gear pre icc and my SS crits for 5.5k. Thats definitely JUST 60% weapon damage + (whatever the number is now), and not the included shadow damage. Does the shadow damage show up separate? or where would I find a parse for how much my actual ss shadow damage hits/crits for if indeed it is distinct?

I got 15/0/56 as the most optimal (single target) spec in present level gear. Although one SS is certainly stronger than two BS, it's the opportunity cost of those three talent point which pushes Reaping out.

In heavy ICC gear, Reaping and BA both pull ahead of Dark Conviction, and as such you just shift those points, making the build this 15/0/56. However, GoD didn't quite catch up, still falling about 20 dps short. With Shadowmorne, it likely does win out, but short of that, GoDD seems to stay.

I'll be working on stat weights next, and determining when exactly Reaping/BA become worth it or not.

In the combat log, yes. WoL and WMO will both show two Scourge Strike entries in a parse, one physical, one shadow, each representing the two different portions of the strike.

I am fairly certain they really really messed up SS, here is what I see from recount now.


12/10 21:12:51.046 Bahgtru: Recount - Bahgtru's Hostile Attacks: Scourge Strike
12/10 21:12:51.187 Bahgtru: 1. Hit 64 (71%) (Min: 1424 Avg: 2627 Max: 4421)
12/10 21:12:51.187 Bahgtru: 2. Crit 26 (29%) (Min: 3135 Avg: 3835 Max: 4180)

not only are critical hits less than a normal hit, but the critical percentage is far below normal. My normal percentage self buffed is right around 55% so i'm missing 25% somewhere.

Can anyone else confirm this?

you crazy man?

armor pen is doing squat now. If we revert to the old spec/rotation its below haste.

Granted its better than it was, but its still nowhere near as good as it is for blood, and given that we will have 4p T10, wouldn't it make more sense to go blood at that point? I know this is nowhere near accurate and theres no numbers to support this yet but it just seems like unholy got royally screwed with itemization if in fact we have to go back to not prioritizing the FU strike.

thats what I'm getting too, well with skada anyway. Its showing crits/normals doing the same.

GoSS actually is an AoE increase - the glyph increases disease duration on second targets without SSing them AND increases when you do SS them.

Had a FF last 42 seconds by continually switching targets and using pestilence/SS.

Since GoD no longer allows disease rolling but GoSS makes it possible I wonder where we'll end.

Alright I can see how that works now, forgot about it not seperating them in recount and it's now a normal hit. So it's all a recount thing, so to get a real crit % I would have to take total number of SS's count of half of them then determine crit %.

I am getting the same thing actually. I'm not sure if it's being read wrong or not. Max hits at 6843 and max crits at 6442. I'm not sure if it's simply being reported wrong by the combat log, but it just seems so counterintuative now.

Only the physical portion can crit. If the physical portion crits, the shadow portion - although it gets its damage increased - doesn't actually crit. Recount and such mods mix the two parts of SS into one set of numbers from which to show max/min/etc, and thus it can show a crit (which can only be the physical portion) being inferior to a hit (which is simply the shadow portion *from* a physical crit).