I'm also experiencing excessive calculation times; currently optimizing for the cookie-cutter unholy dps build with 2-3 items marked available in most slots.

@Capstone - Do you perhaps have any talented hit chance? That obviously won't show up as part of the hit rating number, though might appear if you mouse-over the number, if I recall correctly.

@blackmane - I think it's a useful tool to evaluate relative upgrades given your current gear set, the way Rawr thinks the fight will play out, and whether you'll be employing the same rotation/ability-use that Rawr assumes. Hit isn't nearly as important for aoe'ing 100 mobs as it is for a single-target fight like Festergut. ...It's a guide & useful tool to do some number-crunching to cut away a lot of the guesswork, but not an oracle.

I don't know, but I assume the current dps dk model basically uses a single, stationary raid-boss-type target.

I agree with Capstone. Hit Rating is over-rated in the last versions when dual-wielding. With already 320 hit rating, Chestplate of the Frostborn Hero (Heroic) is better rated than Blade-Scored Carapace (Normal), and Icewalker is better rated than Greater Assault.

I didn't take a look at your code, but it seems that melee hit rating is not functioning correctly when dual-wielding (Seems that special attacks are considered capped at 27% hit instead of 8% without talents when DW).

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Me and my friend (both DKs) have the same problems. I can't say if it is unique to DPSDK because I have never used another module.

Which version of Rawr? Make sure you're not filtering it out.

Where can i see the Stat Weights or chance it? so Hit>Str>Arp etc.

And Shadow's edge in not list at Version 2.3.6 and 2.3.11

Ok, something odd is definitely going on in the newest version from the codeplex page 2.3.11.

When playing around with my deathknight and some gear options / raid buffs, the current version ranks gear in very strange manner. For example with my current gear setup and NO heroism it lists Faceplate of the Silver Champion (non-heroic) as superior to the Sanctified Scourgelord helm.

Now, I am aware that itemlevel difference (232 / 264) is not everything, but this does not seem feasably, especially since the 4-set bonus is tied to the helmet for me. Beyond that the ranking does not match up with any stat weihgts for a blood dk obtained through other simulators.

What seems to go on is that haste is incredibly overvalued / something is broken concerning it: Deathspeakers Zealot Helmet, Faceplate of the Silver Champion, etc. all outrank respective counterparts with ARP on them iff heroism is not enabled as buff.
- Enabling heroism pushes the Sanctified Scougelord helmet from place 14 to 2nd best in slot for me (as it likely should be) and devalues everything with haste on it to an extent that is not really possible.
- Enabling Improved Icy Talons (20% melee haste) in isolation. does not cause this jump.
- Enabling Wrath of Air (5% Spell haste) alone breaks things again.

Has anybody else observed these oddities or is able to replicate them? I might have more time to look at the underlying code later, but it just seems that something strange is going on underneath.

RAWR DOES NOT USE STATIC STAT WEIGHTS!

You cannot change them.
It would do you NO GOOD. Any model that uses stat weighting will inherently be flawed, because the value of stats changes depending on what your current stats are. Rawr determines the value of gear as a complete set for what it does for you right then.

Hit is NOT always greater than STR which is NOT always greater than ArP. You may be hit capped, there may be some interactions depending on spec that puts one stat over another. You may be near the DR point of ArP that makes it worthless, or you may be low on that scale that makes it very valuable.

Please see the documentation here: Rawr

You can use the "Relative Stat Value" chart to see the current value of any given stat to another in that particular set of gear that you are wearing. You may see drastic changes just by changing out a couple pieces of gear. Also remember, that since these stat weights are generated after the fact, there may be some flaws in them as well. You can use them in something like Pawn for that current suit only. Once you change any item around, you would then need to update your Pawn values for that NEW item set.

Sounds like something with the rotation/priority code. There are already some defects written up about it, and I'm not sure where Bloodysorc is on dealing with those items. There may be a sweet spot at a certain level of haste that really changes what your rotation *could* be and in so doing, change the value of those items. Have you tried to optimize between those 2 items and see which is actually better?

Version 2.3.11(everything checked in the filters Except those that start with "Disable")
Now that i have the Shadow's Edge equipped on my character in the armory and load...it shows up...but when i don't have it equipped in the armory and load...it doesn't show up on the list

Without any further raidbuffs and only Sanctified Scourgelord Helmet (264) vs Faceplate of the Silver Champion (245) as swapable options, the optimizer recommends picking the Faceplate (and also abondonining the 4pT10 Bonus thus). As mentioned this runs completely contradictory to stat weights for my gear and blood spec.

Simply ticking Heroism as sole buff in the same setup recommends to stick to the Scourgelord Helmet.

It is not quite transparent to me what could give rise to such a sweet spot, since the bonus haste would only influence white damage (and BCB/Necrosis, but yeah). Haste does not influence the rest of the rotation, the only thing it could do is lower the GCD of death coils.

I see some items in the tracker which are *sort* of similar. Is it possible, that the reason is not so much a change in the rotation but rather that a tiny bit of haste allows to squeeze in an additional action e.g. a single extra dc/white hit, which then completely screws up the result? This would still be odd, since a single action can't even remotely make up the damage lost due to dropping 4pT10.