[WOTLK 4.0] Cats - Page 11

kalbear · 08/21/10, 8:29 PM

Why wouldn't you mangle and maul? Maul isn't on the GCD, so it's not like you can't do both at the same time provided you have the rage for it.

semedori · 08/21/10, 9:52 PM

Originally Posted by kalbear

Why wouldn't you mangle and maul? Maul isn't on the GCD, so it's not like you can't do both at the same time provided you have the rage for it.

You helped me find an error in that rotation yes, but not the one you thought. It seems Maul has a 3 second cooldown, with Mangle just recently being given no cooldown.

edit: thanks Hoofhearted for the info

Hoofhearted · 08/22/10, 5:41 AM

Maul is off the gcd with a 3 sec cd.

Talep · 08/22/10, 9:51 AM

The last week i was on the beta and it seemed that the GCD in the bear form was reduced ( probably with the haste or something ) so that i could mangle and FFF nearly during the cooldown of Maul. And I think it's better to do the three techniques in 3,5 sec or something, than juste two in exactly 3 sec.

Before the mangle change i was thinking of a rotation like that :

maul mangle lacerate
maul FFF lacerate
maul mangle lacerate
maul FFF pulverize.

But with mangle without any CD, i can't see the benefit to use pulverize right now ( to my mind that technique need a change, like keeping one charge of lacerate when used, and 3 when it has a critical effet )

Corbetti · 08/23/10, 7:33 AM

But with mangle without any CD, i can't see the benefit to use pulverize right now ( to my mind that technique need a change, like keeping one charge of lacerate when used, and 3 when it has a critical effet )

Any indication on what is happening with glyphs? This looks a lot like the Destro 'lock's Conflag in WotLK, where a glyph made the ability significantly more useable by changing it to not consume the debuff.

• Caniki · 08/23/10, 7:37 AM

Glyphs are nowhere near complete. We've been told to ignore them.

Talanik · 09/02/10, 9:31 AM

One thing I'm curious about is since they're removing armor penetration from the game, how will it affect our current gear?

I assume the armor penetration on the gear itself will be converted to something else, but what about gems? Will the red gems simply vanish from our gear? Will they refund us uncut gems? Or is ArP not being entirely removed, and just won't be on any new Cataclysm gear a la strength/int on our gear from TBC - > Wrath?

Hoofhearted · 09/02/10, 9:42 AM

Gems and gear with armor pen will instead have critrating. If the item already has crit rating it will be haste rating. Armor penetration still exists in the game but only as talents. You can't stack it.

Docrev · 09/02/10, 11:43 AM

If you want a more exact picture of what will happen to your gear, you can go and check cata.wowhead.com and look up your current gear. One trick I've found that works well is going into their Profiler and hitting compare, the modifying the address that brings you to from Wowhead: The first three letters say it all. to cata.wowhead.com, which will give you the Cataclysm stats for all of your gear.

Raed · 09/02/10, 2:41 PM

Whatever we speculate to be a 'good' bear rotation at this point will likely change entirely when the glyphs are released. It would seem beneficial to keep the critical percent buff from Pulverize rolling at all times though. With a ~16 second uptime that should be plausible.

Lucrece · 09/03/10, 2:45 AM

They already said glyphs are not designed with altering rotations in mind. If any glyph alters your rotation, it's accidental.

Viridiz · 09/03/10, 9:50 AM

I was confused by Ghostcrawlers post however, he stated that prime glyphs would change up your rotation and then went on to say glyphs shouldn't change your rotation.

baneberry.dalaran · 09/03/10, 1:55 PM

Originally Posted by semedori

But the question remains, is it worth spending 6 out of every 15 seconds to restart Lacerate to be consumed by Pulverize? It's a 15% crit buff, plus the damage caused by Pulverize itself and whatever small damage of 3 Lacerate applications..

I do not see where you re getting 15% crit buff. Each stack of lacerate is worth 2%, and it stacks to a maximum of 3. In Beta I have not seen my crit bonus go above 6% for using pulverize. Making pulverize even more lackluster in its current state.

korkut · 09/09/10, 6:11 PM

I was thinking on feral pve dps talent. My current idea:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Since i dont have beta, can you try "Nature's Majesty" from balance tree effecting to ferals spells or not?

kalbear · 09/09/10, 8:16 PM

Nature's Majesty does not work on any feral attacks. It likely works with faerie fire.