I suppose I agree on the part about Berserk and utilizing the proc. However, do you think we will have that much issues with the rage to be forced to manage Maul instead of keeping it in all our macros as we did until now? I have very limited experience on the PTR so I might be way off here. However from what I saw on the target dummy, it seems like we should be fine, as long as there is something hitting us.

Not sure about at 80, but at 85, macroing in Maul is definitely sub-optimal, and will frequently rage-starve you.

My experience so far on beta have been disappointing. First, my rip ticks are normally 900-1000. Mind you I'm in mostly all BiS gear from live and there wasn't much in the of leveling upgrades since itemization was incomplete a couple weeks back. In either case it's disappointing to see that at lvl85 in beta on a lvl60 training dummy, I'm doing less damage than I do on live at 80 on a 83 training dummy.

In regards to tanking, rage sucks, always raged starved. Like others are still trying to figure out, I'm still unsure about how to optimally use pulverize.

That's really weird and probably some kind of bug. My rips tick for about 1830 and crit for 4000.

I am lvl 83 wearing 264/277 ICC gear with 2-3 blue items from questing and cloak & head guild heirlooms.

Edit: this was on cataclysmic training dummy.

Odd, those number you mentioned seemed inline with my rake damage, but rip looked like crap for me, last time I tested. I'll hop on tonight and check again for changes.

There was a bug on the PTR where rip was not scaling with attack power. It was fixed in the most recent build. Perhaps that bug also existed on the beta?

I'm in Exodar on the training dummy. Rake ticks are 1.6/3.5k, rip ticks are 2.1k/4.5k. Overall DPS self-buffed is 4.1-4.2k, but I'm playing without addons, so my uptimes are not optimal. Character is a lvl 85 druid, hybrid tank/dps spec (so I'm missing a few % DPS here and there), gear from Uldum quests. My stats are:

78.5k HP, 24k mana, average ilvl 313.

Melee damage 840-1011 (941.1 DPS), with an AP of 7k.
Haste: 217 (+1.69%)
Hit: 577 (+4.8%)
Crit: 677 (22.37%)
Expertise: 22 (5.5%)
Mastery: 578 (+3.22, total bleed bonus 28%)

I reforged my items to improve hit/expertise, which is probably suboptimal as it was at the beginning of WotLK. Haste is the way to go, even more than crit.

Damage distribution (5 min fight, so approximative), with a "SR at 3CP, rip at 5CP" cycle, but I have some downtime on both:

Shred: 26.9% (I have 2/2 Blessing of the Grove)
Rip (DoT): 26.6% (I have Glyph of Rip + Glyph of Shred)
Melee: 26.0%
Rake: (DoT): 15.3%
Avalanche weapon enchant: 1.6%
Mangle: 1.1% (I have Glyph of Mangle)
Rake: 0.9%
Fury Swipes: 0.8% (NOTE: I only have 1/3 FS)

I don't have Primal Madness, I don't have Master Shapeshifter.

The low melee is due to a 16% crit only (instead of 22%) while shred saw a 31% crit. Melee should be higher.

Pulverize is looking better all the time for bears, 9% crit buff total with an easier up time.
It's completely academic now with the front-loaded Lacerate, not making me feel bad about consuming the Lacerate ticks: but an 18 second crit buff vs Lacerate ticking over 15sec + 4.5sec to re-stack up. Would have been fairly close to 100% up time assuming you tried forcing a Pulverize then Lacerate x3 string into your rotation. But as is, just a quality of life improvement relaxing an additional timer you want to watch.

Stampede is looking rewarding for cat's forced to move temporarily away from target. Much like other classes/specs getting situational abilities and talents that are used on the move. As well a longer reach on Skull Bash seems a concession to movement requirements. Longer lasting Savage Roar providing further flexibility on the previously tight cat dps.

As written, I don't see how moving out of range to stampede every 30 seconds is not the right move. Ravage is already ridiculously powerful compared to most other moves; doing so at zero energy cost for 10 out of 30 seconds and then being able to unload the rest of the moves seems very strong to me. It was already close to efficient enough to miss out on the melee hits, but this seems to be a bit much.

There is no indication of this in the tooltip, but stampede only works for one ravage.

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Just some napkin math on Stampede:

Ravage = 550% melee + 1817.16
Shred = (225% melee + 743.67)* 1.3 (Mangle)* 1.2 (Rend and Tear) = 351% melee + 1160.13

Taking the 10 energy for charge into account, and assuming bleeds and buffs/debuffs are up, the energy opportunity cost for a stampede ravage is 1/4 of a shred.

So we're at a net gain of 462.25% melee + 1527.13 before factoring melee attacks. Since those specials are based on modifying melee attack, it's relatively safe to assume that you're netting more damage from running out and charging back in with stampede if you don't lose more than 4ish white swings going from 5 to 8 yards range.

Of course, each white swing lost is losing chances at omen procs, though that also needs to be weighed against the contribution of a 10 energy cp generator, especially against >80% hp targets (+50% crit chance with pred strikes). At first glance, this appears to scale down with higher haste. I'm not even sure what the proc rate of omen in the beta is, so the in depth analysis I'd leave to the more math savvy to find the true break point for deliberate running out and charging and whether or not the cost per talent point is justifiable quantitatively.

Some of the more difficult things to model would be encounter specific things that might put you at charge range anyway and how stampede can potentially offer leeway in the rotation with the basically on demand cp, i.e. if rip is expiring a sec or two before sr expires, you can choose to rip with 5 cp, then stampede into a 1/2 cp sr.