Honestly I am rejuving just as much as before:
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

LB tanks as needed, TOL+Regrowth on an infest if your Disc priest is picked up. Seems to be fairly the same stuff.

Thanks Kluian, you are correct, that was the problem, I forgot about that.

Some additionally logs from last night, for those of you who are interested in this sort of thing:

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Includes Blood and Plague wings. Rejuv is the majority of my healing as normal, and WG is second. Rejuv actually seems to be doing MORE of my healing than before the patch.

Additionally, the best time to use ToL is (obviously) when you will get the most healing out of it. On a fight like Putricide, you should use it near the start of the fight if you want, and near the end of the 3rd phase, when you have 5+ stacks up. Spam WG and Regrowths, and use Tranquility if you have time to not move.

Our guild is moving at a very slow pace this week, so I don't have Frost Wing or Lich King numbers.

The difference between 1015 haste and 1016 haste is 20% healing on our most used spell. This is absolutely huge. If you find yourself just under 1016 haste, it is worth gemming straight haste (trading int, which is usually the better stat), in order to reach this breakpoint.

Once you have 1016 haste. Haste probably becomes the marginally better secondary stat. Haste isn't nearly as good as it was prepatch, since rejuvs are already gcd capped with swift rejuv. Since mana is currently not an issue, there is no reason to skip swift rejuv (~9% more rejuvs is a very good use of 2 points). Haste after 1016 is significantly worse than int, comparable to crit, and possibly better or worse than mastery depending on how much you can use it.

Just to be clear -- I agree that soft caps exist and are good to shoot for. It's just that haste has a reasonably good effect on Rejuv outside of caps (better than crit, last I checked), and there are other reasonable to achieve soft caps (if my math is right):

(((3 / (1.05 * 1.15)) / (12 / 6.5)) - 1) * 100 * 32.79231 = 1133.81279

7 tick Rejuv with Nature's Grace.

(((3 / (1.05 * 1.15 * 1.30)) / (12 / 8.5)) - 1) * 100 * 32.79231 = 1159.92547

9 tick Rejuv with Hero + Nature's Grace.

Personally, if I have an option to reforge for haste, I do so.

I would think the stat priority would be something like this:

Haste (1016) > Crit > Int> Spirit

Some may debate the Crit and Int aspect of the stats, but I do find rejuvenation crits wonderful.

Haste (1016)>Int>Haste (if not talented Swift rj)>Crit/Mastery>Haste past the soft cap with swift rj.

Crit vs Mastery is situational, mastery first if you can benefit from it 50% of the time or more, crit otherwise.

Lose all the Spirit you can, its utterly useless.


I doubt much of that is debatable on current content.

WoL does record Efflo, it just does not merge it with the Druid.

Healed some Ulduar 10 hards today for the lulz (trying to get drakes for all 80s before cata), and here's efflo on firefighter: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis My total for that fight was about 1.9 mil, which would make efflo less effective than living seed :-/ Kinda lame for that number of talent points.

Results were comparable or worse on other fights, and people were generally pretty sloppy (haven't been in there in forever). I was generally pleased with how things went. No 5% haste buff in the raid (except when I boomkined), so tough to get a picture of how things would be like when ideal, but I never found myself wanting for throughput or mana, even when things got sloppy and people stood in fire/get exploded by plants, etc.

I'm still experimenting with the best Valithria healing strategy (when assigned on the boss).

Last raid I used a mind twisting combination of Healing Touch, Lifebloom, Nourish, Regrowth, Rejuvenation and Swiftmend. The results were decent, but I still feel there is room for improvement.

I recently respecced and I got rid of Naturalist and Empowered Touch, since I didn't used Nourish and Healing Touch the entire raid (except Valithria).
I plan to replace Healing Touch with the guaranteed crit Regrowth for the main spam at Valithria. I suspect Regrowth may produce appalling results in the last part of the fight, since it doesn't get from Bloodlust as much as Healing Touch.
Mana should not be an issue.

What are you guys using?

I found during my heroic lich king attempts, and I apologize in advance for not keeping the numbers (skada wasn't quite working yet at the time), that my break down was roughly 50% rejuv, 30% lifebloom, and then wildgrowth and swiftmend followed up very closely at 10%. This breakdown sort of mirrors my playstyle which revolved around raid healing, but keeping lifebloom up on lich king tank. It's really hard to get a feel for Efflorsence's effectiveness when I noticed its diffifcult to see it after its casted at range. I couldn't quite tell its position, or the melee that were suppose to be in it, from the opposite side of Lich Kings platform.

I have a feeling its going to be a significant struggle convincing people to move into it, after as many others have previously noted, it looks like a giant void zone. I'd much prefer a stormcloud or something ABOVE the raiders, they are far less likely to freak out over something like that

All in all, the healing I output during our attempts on Lich King was 2nd to to one of my Disc priests through all phases (I typically only catch up during Frostmourne phase). Being that close during Heroic Lich King attempts as a druid is a testament to the changes put in place for us (or perhaps a sign that Pallies got nerfed harder then us). Once you get comfortable with your druid, I have a feeling many people will be jealous of our new found versatility!

Efflorescence can be amazing, but in many cases it will suck. It's easily better on a per target basis then Wild Growth (no symbiosis) and its strength is in the fact that it has no target cap.

In cases where people are spread out, or moving, yes it's pretty insignificant. I don't think it will ever be bad enough to justify speccing out of it though. It really is no surprise it sucked on firefighter, 10 man firefighter is the worst fight I can think of for it. Whereas a fight with aura damage, or good raid damage where the raid is stacked it is OP as all hell. And most fights somewhere in between.

You need to use it as smart as possible to get the throughput. For instance on Halion, I never cast it during cutters, wait till cutters stop, then cast it on whoever is in the middle of the pack to make sure it hits as many targets as possible.

The absolute best way I have seen to maximize its use is with Vuhdo. I'm not aware of other mods that have this functionality, but I could be ignorant.

What Vuhdo does, is it has a "Cluster" status. I set it to 7 yards, and its tied to Swiftmend's cd so I don't have the icon clutter when its irrelevant.

So whenever SM is off cd, I get an icon on every person that is within 7 yards of anyone else, saying how many people they have in their 7 yard range.

It's pretty amazing.

All I need to do to maximize my throughput (pretty significantly in 25 man content) is wait till the raid stops moving, then hit swiftmend on whoever has the biggest number. I have my icon text pretty huge, it also uses 2 different colors depending on how many targets are in range if you prefer. So you could set one to 5, the other to 10 for instance.

That, plus actual hot bars on each mod to track with (if you like), and direction arrows on mouseover of a frame (AWESOME in pvp, configurable to only show when unit is oor, or always) make Vuhdo something definitely worth checking out. And yes I've used Grid & Healbot, Vuhdo does anything they do, plus some major features.

I've been discussing it on the Resto UI thread as it should be, but I thought the cluster tracking functionality was relevant here.