[WOTLK 4.0] Restoration Discussion - Page 49

Playered · 10/17/10, 7:15 AM

I don't really know what people are expecting from Efflorescence right now on fights which aren't aura based such as BQL/Festergut/Sindragosa/Hallion(Inside). Even on those fights we (as in the healer core) are not needing to be conservative with mana to the point where a mild AoE hot can be fully utilized. Just accept that for the most part it isn't going to be that good until "Mana matters" and we should get some better information regarding that soon as the raid testing is starting on Beta.

Daisil · 10/17/10, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by semedori

With reforging we have unprecedented control over our mana regen. The majority of my gear has spirit and I can reforge it into haste (when able and crit when not.) I've been playing perhaps too conservatively and keeping rather high combat regen often not needing to use my innervate. Ill begin trying to find an ideal combat regen for the content I am in.
I'm interested if others are doing the same and what number your ending up around, I'm assuming the first changes made are re-talenting to have only heart of the wild and 2/3 revitalize for regen talents.

Yes, reforge spirit. I have reforged as much of my spirit into either haste or Crit as I can, and I very rarely drop below 75% mana on any given fight, even when feeding my innervates to Holy Paladins. The only time I noticed my mana dropping lower than 75% was on Heroic LK -- as I was spamming regrowth to cover infests that hadn't been absorbed by shields. Even then, mana still wasn't a concern for me.

At this point in content, reforging doesn't hurt at all because we just have unlimited amounts of regen. Once we hit 85, the mana costs on our spells will go up and mana will once again become a concern. For the duration of LK content, however, it is perfectly fine to do so without any worries. Once level 85 raids come out and you outgear mechanics, I am sure you will be able to reforge spirit out again, but until that point we will have to wait and see.

zelse · 10/17/10, 1:59 PM

I tried scourring this thread for gemming suggestions, and im sorry if I missed it. But assuming I grabbed 1016 haste through gear/reforging, is crit then the stat of focus? I currently have a bunch of SP turned INT (red gems) which I'm hearing are useless due to our infinite mana (probably just in wotlk as stated above, but that's what I'm gemming for.) So that would take spirit out of the equation as well? Just curious what other people are finding works, I have a raid tonight and I wont have much time to test things in a raid situation before then, and would appreciate any feedback on gemming choices.

I guess I'm scarred to replace every spirit/ int I can through gemming and reforging to get 1016 haste then crit, and then finding out I'm going oom... but that sounds like a non factor?

Daisil · 10/17/10, 2:10 PM

Keep the int gems. Intellect provides Spellpower as well as your mana and crit.

Lohkan · 10/17/10, 2:59 PM

Originally Posted by Feya

So i've been planning on writing a mod to report total healing done via Effloresce (so that raid members can be encouraged to STAND in it.... or more importantly MOVE into it) and noted that its reported in our combat logs very oddly. You'll notice that its not DruidNameHere healing via Efflorescence healing circle ticks, but an actor named "Efflorescence". This behavior was reported earlier I believe by someone else, but it goes to warning those who use damage meters that your current Efflorescence healing numbers may be off due to that?

If you have multiple druid's, I am currently not seeing any logic I can apply towards the problem in isolating which Efflorescence is healing which player. I am dubious this will ever change unless Blizzard changes how they are reporting it in the combat log.

Just some idle thoughts.

If/when you get around to that addon for Effl, I'd definitely love to have it. Make sure to post it up!

Ravelvan · 10/17/10, 3:38 PM

Originally Posted by Feya

So i've been planning on writing a mod to report total healing done via Effloresce (so that raid members can be encouraged to STAND in it.... or more importantly MOVE into it) and noted that its reported in our combat logs very oddly. You'll notice that its not DruidNameHere healing via Efflorescence healing circle ticks, but an actor named "Efflorescence". This behavior was reported earlier I believe by someone else, but it goes to warning those who use damage meters that your current Efflorescence healing numbers may be off due to that?

If you have multiple druid's, I am currently not seeing any logic I can apply towards the problem in isolating which Efflorescence is healing which player. I am dubious this will ever change unless Blizzard changes how they are reporting it in the combat log.

Just some idle thoughts.

You can actually tell exactly which druid's Effloresence is healing whom by looking at the combat log. Just use the following pairs of events:

10/13 20:36:31.570  SPELL_SUMMON,0x0600000003222927,"Navlevar",0x511,0xF130A9D700000176,"Effloresence",0xa28,81262,"Efflorescence",0x8
...
10/13 20:36:36.454  SPELL_HEAL,0xF130A9D700000176,"Effloresence",0x2111,0x0600000003222927,"Navlevar",0x511,81269,"Efflorescence",0x8,823,823,0,nil

Essentially you just treat it like a pet. Recount also shows this just fine.

Ridiculer · 10/17/10, 7:16 PM

I was wondering if anybody has some numbers on metagems :O

• Hamlet · 10/17/10, 8:39 PM

Originally Posted by Ridiculer

I was wondering if anybody has some numbers on metagems :O

The spreadsheet processes all of them pretty accurately. Insightful should give more MP5 than Ember. If you don't care about mana, use Revitalizing for a reasonable throughput gain.

Turinqui · 10/18/10, 4:22 AM

Looks like WG is hitting pets again

19:20:52> Plinkin gains 0 Health from Kerrasan's Wild Growth.(887 Overhealed)
19:20:52> Jubmat gains 0 Health from Kerrasan's Wild Growth.(887 Overhealed)
19:20:52> Spineslobber gains 0 Health from Kerrasan's Wild Growth.(887 Overhealed)

(Spineslobber being a ghoul, Jubmat an imp)

Kluian · 10/18/10, 9:41 AM

Darn I actually liked WG not healing pets. At least in a 25 man raid.

Also recount shows Efflorescence properly... you just need to enable pet merging. It acts similar to healing stream totem for shamans.

• RobotChicken · 10/18/10, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Kluian

Darn I actually liked WG not healing pets. At least in a 25 man raid.

Also recount shows Efflorescence properly... you just need to enable pet merging. It acts similar to healing stream totem for shamans.

I like it healing pets, because if the tooltip is to believed WG is still a smart heal, and it won't pick a pet if it won't do any healing to the pet. So let's assume there are 8 targets where WG does not hit pets, 6 being players and 2 being pets. If 4 of those players and the 2 pets are damaged, you are going to WG them. But those 2 other targets purely overheal. If we take the scenario where WG DOES hit pets, you will not have any overhealing, and your effective healing increases. Note that in the scenario where 6 players were injured, even if the pets were, it can be assumed that WG is going to hit the players first, if it is truly a smart heal.

Kluian · 10/18/10, 2:32 PM

I'm fairly certain that smart heal means it heals the lowest % health player/pet in range. It doesn't choose players as a primary target over pets if the pet has a lower percentage of health to the available player targets.

alinna · 10/18/10, 6:52 PM

After going through my druid's raid log from last night, I'm not seeing any crit ticks for the Rejuvenations procced from the T10 bonus. Is this a bug or intended behavior?

• RobotChicken · 10/18/10, 8:11 PM

Originally Posted by alinna

After going through my druid's raid log from last night, I'm not seeing any crit ticks for the Rejuvenations procced from the T10 bonus. Is this a bug or intended behavior?

Can you post the log? It could be that WoL isn't reading them right, but I didn't notice anything like that. If it is, that's a pretty big bug, maybe even to the point that it will convince me to drop my tier in favor of more Haste pieces. I'd wager if it's not benefiting from Crit it isn't from Haste either.

alinna · 10/18/10, 8:42 PM

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

I was looking at spell id 70691. You're also right, it also seems like haste has no effect as entering in that spell id into the Log Browser shows 3 second intervals between ticks, although the Rejuvenation lasts 15 seconds not the 12 seconds of a casted Rejuvenation.