[WOTLK 4.0] Restoration Discussion - Page 54

• RobotChicken · 10/27/10, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Rogirek

Since it behaves like an independent unit, could it have its own crit rating (which starts at 0%), and gain crit from raid buffs?

EDIT: Or could the target potentially have a talent/cooldown/whatever which was increasing the healing they receive?

The combat log reported it as a critical, so it is not a case of the target receiving increased healing. Plus, I was just testing this in Dalaran and Ironforge, so I doubt there was someone popping Vampiric Blood or something to make it heal enough to confuse the combat log (or something). It is possible, I suppose, that certain classes that are increasing crit chance are increasing the crit chance of Efflorescence and causing it to have crits. I will test this tonight in a raid, it should give me better data.

Originally Posted by Khaldei

So the final tally will be 46 intellect vs. 46 spell power. That seems to be a no brainer. It more than makes up for missing out on the fish feast. You'll just have to cart around plenty of baked manta ray.

Again, I think this would only be valid if you're gemming straight haste and missing out on at least 40 intellect through gemming. Does this seem accurate?

I'm a tiny bit confused as to what you're actually getting at. If you're saying we should use Haste food to reach 1016 Haste, I disagree. The only thing the extra Intellect would give us (over the spellpower from the Feast) is some extra mana, so it doesn't really matter in the end. Best to just gem for 1016 Haste and eat the free Fish Feast. At 85, though, it might be a consideration.

If you're saying that we should eat the Haste food past 1016 Haste, then that's an interesting proposal and you should elaborate, but it doesn't sound like that's what you're saying.

thefool808 · 10/27/10, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by RobotChicken

The only thing the extra Intellect would give us (over the spellpower from the Feast) is some extra mana, so it doesn't really matter in the end. Best to just gem for 1016 Haste and eat the free Fish Feast. At 85, though, it might be a consideration.

The Intellect will also provide a small amount of Crit (0.28%). In a pure min/maxing situation, Khaldei is correct that Haste food is better than Fish Feast. Of course the inconvenience should be taken into account as well.

Drane · 10/27/10, 1:59 PM

Here's our log from our 11/12 clear last night, out of my 4006 Efflor hits, none of them crit. World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

I've definitely never notice it crit, but if the % is really THAT low, it'll take a larger sample to get one, unless WoL just doesn't show 'em.

Khaldei · 10/27/10, 2:26 PM

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. The 46 int will give you the same spell power and provide the little bit extra of crit. Not to mention the mana and small regen. It only would make sense though if you are gemming straight haste (+20 haste in yellow socket, or +10 int / +10 haste in red) and you can gem back to intellect. You'd also need to be able to recoup 40 intellect through that gemming. Then it seems eating haste food instead of the fish feast and gemming intellect is the right thing to do to make 1016 haste.

• RobotChicken · 10/27/10, 3:01 PM

Originally Posted by thefool808

The Intellect will also provide a small amount of Crit (0.28%). In a pure min/maxing situation, Khaldei is correct that Haste food is better than Fish Feast. Of course the inconvenience should be taken into account as well.

I forgot to take that into account, you're right. I'm not sure it's really worth all the hassle involved, though.

djara · 10/27/10, 3:24 PM

What concerns me more about using haste food is that in case of death and being resurrected in fight, those 40 haste are gone and you can't get them back for the rest of the fight. You would stay under the haste break point until the fight is over. This does not concern me as much for the 46 spellpower that would be missing, but dropping under the required haste for an additional tick of rejuvenation is quite major in my opinion.

rmq · 10/27/10, 7:27 PM

Originally Posted by Drane

Here's our log from our 11/12 clear last night, out of my 4006 Efflor hits, none of them crit.

Same here. 5370 hits, no crits. World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Greentouch · 11/24/10, 1:25 AM

Well, untalented effloresence. Kind of a shame that the only new "spell" we have now is bloody useless. 30% of SM on 6 targets? Basically 2 free sm's, which would almost be useful in a burst, but overtime it isn't even worth the talent points imo.

The good news is the multiple LB stacks is still doable from Beta. You can keep 2-4 stacks of LB going with HT after tol, even refresh one with LB manually if you run too short on time. (Just remember to refresh that same one manually from then on or you lose it.)

• Hamlet · 11/24/10, 3:12 AM

It's not all that impressive now, but I'm still taking the talent. I got around 8% of my healing form it on Halion today, which isn't bad for 3 points. Not amazing, but it's basically only competing with Nature's Bounty. It's situational, but in most cases is not terrible.

Dav1l · 11/24/10, 4:54 AM

I'm not planning to drop Efflorescence in the current content. Not only there's nothing else to take to boost your hps, but it's actually going to still be worth a global on Festergut, Putricide, BQL, Sindragosa, LK transition phases and Halion shadow realm.

The only thing I'm worried about is LK and Halion tank healing. I was going super aggressive on the Regrowth spam after the patch and was nearly at zero mana by the end. Probably taking 2 points in Malfurion's Gift and asking moonkins to Innervate me. Not skipping any HPS talent for sure.

Toadfoot · 11/24/10, 10:43 AM

Having to choose between NB and Eff just seems like bad talent tree design. If you give up NB to get eff you are making eff's prereq. talent even worse not to mention gimping the ToL cooldown a bit. It would be nice if the choice was between LS and Eff as the 2 talents serve different purposes.

Shelendil · 11/24/10, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Toadfoot

Having to choose between NB and Eff just seems like bad talent tree design. If you give up NB to get eff you are making eff's prereq. talent even worse not to mention gimping the ToL cooldown a bit. It would be nice if the choice was between LS and Eff as the 2 talents serve different purposes.

Taking Efflorescence over NB leaves regrowth with less HPS and HPM than HT. It's no longer worth casting at that point. And yes, it's bad talent design to have to choose which of the basic spells will be used.

• Hamlet · 11/24/10, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Shelendil

Taking Efflorescence over NB leaves regrowth with less HPS and HPM than HT. It's no longer worth casting at that point. And yes, it's bad talent design to have to choose which of the basic spells will be used.

This is what I found myself doing on my last beta raid--HT often on clearcasts with few Regrowths outside of Tree (still heavy Regrowth in Tree with MG). I'm sure I'll revise this more as I get to play with the new talents more, but Nature's Bounty seems like the least painful talent to drop.

I do wish I could drop Living Seed instead, but again, Efflorescence is still usually worth 3 points. It's much more of a stretch to say that Efflo is worth 6 points, I know, but there aren't 6 really compelling points anyway. The best you could do is to drop Efflo and LS and pick NB and Perseverance. That actually seems like an okay option to keep around if you're going to run two Resto specs.

skmz · 11/24/10, 11:17 AM

Anyone got any hints how we should spec now just for the WOTLK encounters until Cata arrives? Noticed we might need to start using Nourish and HT now, since our replenish is much less, and if there's an idea to spec into MG now when it's no longer bound to FoS for the extra clearcasting %.

Share your thoughts, please. Unfortunately I am quite clueless.

Toadfoot · 11/24/10, 11:45 AM

I would have to guess that for leveling and the 5 man dungeons Eff and BotG would be the choices to skip. Then just fill everything else out.

@Hamlet-Instead of NB and preseverance you could take NB and LS as those talents work together.