Haha, I thought it would at least require Wild Mushroom to break the rotation in that way.

One note is that you can't necessarily Wrath though. The people claim SS always generates Solar energy are being too hasty--they're testing against outdoor mobs or something where you keep breaking combat. Right now on the beta SS generates whichever kind of energy is opposite your most recent Eclipse proc, default to Solar if you haven't procced an Eclipse since you last entered combat.

I should confirm, but I think this does mean that you can prepare Solar in advance, reset combat status, and then do what you're describing.

Perhaps more importantly, since we're arguing for SS to be smart again anyway, that detail is hopefully moot. Something will need to be changed here.

I'd be fine with DoTs moving us along the grid though, honestly, Eclipse cycles are already too short. The big thing for me at this point is that the long duration of dots (not yet even affected by haste) are already lasting longer than Eclipse cycles and causing refresh/clipping issues. If haste begins to affect dots (which we would want it to for scaling), it will actually work counterproductively to exacerbate this situation by shortening Eclipse cycles while lengthening dots. Add in the fact that you want to get 15% haste mechanic from Nature's Torment haste for which you must cast a dot for at the beginning of each Eclipse and it basically compels clipping.

It may not sound right but honestly, my vote is for Eclipse to not cancel at zero but rather only cancel when you get to the opposite Eclipse. I know 100% uptime -- how dare I ask for it -- but we are fairly high on Eclipse time on live in end game gear so it's not that much of a stretch. Spells could be tuned accordingly to expect 100% uptime. Right now, having three states, Lunar, Non-Eclipse, and Solar and then adding in the variation of trinket spell procs and the like as well is driving me farking batty.

This is not a big issue on live as DoTs are an afterthought and Eclipses only affect Wrath and Starfire anywho. With the entire school being affected and DoTs actually doing enough damage to matter now, the issue of a three-state system is very problematic. All spells / ticks moving us across the grid and cancel at opposite side sounds functional with some tuning. Then again, maybe I'm crazy -- but if so, there's a high percentage chance I have been driven crazy by trying to make a back-and-forth rotation work the past couple days.

EDIT: or you could scratch all of the above and just have DoTs calculate each ensuing tick based on current procs / Eclipse state. At which point the whole damn headache goes away. Having a 3-state alternating school buff that lasts in a ~15 second / ~8 second / ~15 second pattern and dots that last upwards of 20 seconds with haste causes a world of issues on dot refreshing. And, again, that's before you add in other proc-based spell gains into the mix. Just too much variation with dots getting their full-duration power at cast. No idea the coding involved but dots that recalculate throughout their lifespan would make the current Eclipse far less painful a mechanic.

If you don't cast SS and Wrath and generate no Energy there should be something like

Solar Shower	Cast Time	DPET	DPS Contrib
Insect Swarm	7.8%	74086	5783
Starfall	2.1%	31411	651
Force of Nature	0.7%	71808	490
Thorns	4.7	16388	771
MF DD	84.8%	7761	6581
MF DoT	Free		3148
Totals		DPS:	17424

So 17k Dps with Instant cast only. Hello PvP

I don't see how they'll allow this. Lunar Shower will likely end up causing Moonfire to generate Energy. That's my likely guess.

Apparently Fire Mages are more or less in the same boat. Scorch (0 mana, cast while moving) is doing the same DPS as Fireball (their "official" nuke), but their t11 bonus will boost Fireball a little. As far as I can tell, the fix there is to just make Scorch a little bit weaker than Fireball.

The DD DPS from Lunar Shower is already weaker than SF and Wrath. However MF benefits from Eclipse, without consuming it. The "not consuming it" part makes it too strong, particularly when the tradeoff is a very strong Eclipse buff compared to nukes that are weak.

Right, which is why a Moonfire that generates energy during Lunar Shower will correct that problem. 10 Energy a pop would put it in line with the other spells. I don't think that's out of line really.

Personally I think Eclipse cycles are already moving too fast without more things generating energy. Of course Starsurge isn't acting smart atm to help extend them but . . . I'm still of the opinion to moderate the damage buff from the talent. Either way, agree it needs to be fixed.

It looks like things are a little unbalanced (pun intended). I like Arython's idea of having no eclipse downtime. This makes our mastery similar to other classes in the sense that we always benefit from it. It fixes most of the dot clipping issues in our rotation and allows pvp players to benefit from mastery at the start of a fight. I'm pretty sure they will tone down lunar shower, it makes sense and moonfire spam is boring and should really be avoided and used when you can't stand still long enough to cast a main nuke.

Honestly I cannot see them efficiently fixing the Lunar Shower problem simply by reducing its bonus for a simple reason:
If you use it as you're supposed to (spam MF if you have to move), there's a chance of up to 50% (depending on how Eclipse is finally implemented) of not being in Eclipse and not getting any bonus from Eclipse for the whole duration you're moving.
It definitely makes more sense to have your Eclipse bar still moving while you're doing your "mobile rotation".

It's more than likely that Lunar show will include Sunfire considering it's a prerequisite for Lunar shower.

It's just a number adjust or moving more damage to the DoT portion.

On a side note; it's gonna get annoying that we're gonna have three spells that could be shortened to "SF"; Starfire, Starfall and Sunfire. S'pose it's not as bad as the amount of SS' in the game.

I think you mucked up the table a bit. Are the 1st listed coefficients the new ones?