[WOTLK 4.0] Balance Discussion - Page 11

footstomp · 10/19/10, 12:14 PM

I noticed it because i have MoTW macroed to a target of the big add in Herioc RS. This usually gave me a bit of a burst in getting him down. but not once during the fight did it proc from MoTW.

Rahucun · 10/19/10, 1:20 PM

The way that mark of the wild buff is slightly different, I guess the proc has been planlessly removed as it count for 1 spell.

P.S to regain eclipse or almost after a wipe I kill spiders on my way

Faveokatro · 10/20/10, 3:01 AM

I've been wondering, has anyone been having issues dictating which way eclipse procced at the start of a fight? I know by default it goes to Solar, but I've had my leading Starsurge push it Lunar quite a bit. I tested it a bit and it seems like whichever way the arrow's pointing when you die is the direction Starsurge takes you. Sometimes, you can't even hard cast the way you want it to (as in wrathing at the start to push it Lunar or vice versa).

Am I the only one having this problem because I would have thought someone else would have mentioned it by now, or does the default eclipse bar have a direction on it (Eclipse Bar Plus doesn't). The worst part is with the messy spell queue it's near impossible to switch off which nuke you're casting too.

Gaarok · 10/20/10, 8:47 AM

No you are not the only one : I did see exactly the same behaviour you are describing, after each death.

So, after a death, beginning the fight with Starsurge seems the way to go to avoid any "lost" cast (ie : in the wrong bar direction).

Mortilia · 10/20/10, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Faveokatro

[...]it seems like whichever way the arrow's pointing when you die is the direction Starsurge takes you.

[...]or does the default eclipse bar have a direction on it (Eclipse Bar Plus doesn't).[...]

That is indeed the case, and the default eclipse bar does have a direction to it. You can only move the way the arrow is pointing, so you are literraly forced to alternate between solar and lunar, regardless of death.

What I'm having trouble with right now is changing the way I push buttons. I'm used to hitting a spell 2-3 times to ensure it queues correctly, but now more often than not it queues the spell twice, resulting in 2 cast of IS, moonfire or wrath in a row when I don't want to. When cataclysm comes out there should be an option in the interface to fix this, but it's not implemented right now.

Ranghar · 10/20/10, 2:59 PM

As MF and IS have the same duration, I tried making my life a bit more simple and crafted this simple macro:

#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=5/target Moonfire, Insect Swarm

Unfortunately it gets stuck in solar eclipse and casts Sunfire over and over again. Looks like a bug, so I reported it. Do you know any workaround, which I can use before they fix it?

faxfan2005 · 10/20/10, 6:16 PM

Veiled dreadstone problem?

I've reforged to just below the hit cap - 434, I gemmed a veiled dreadstone and the spell hit didn't increase at all although the Melee and Ranged hit did. Tried different items, relogging etc.

Anyone else seen this?

edit: just tried lightning eye of zul with same result

Mjoedgaard · 10/20/10, 7:53 PM

Originally Posted by Ranghar

As MF and IS have the same duration, I tried making my life a bit more simple and crafted this simple macro:

#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=5/target Moonfire, Insect Swarm

Unfortunately it gets stuck in solar eclipse and casts Sunfire over and over again. Looks like a bug, so I reported it. Do you know any workaround, which I can use before they fix it?

Thats because moonfire dosnt excist while in solar eclipse. Also at the moment you want to cast IS before MF in lunar eclipse and sunfire before IS in solar eclipse

iamrelevart · 10/21/10, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by faxfan2005

Veiled dreadstone problem?

I've reforged to just below the hit cap - 434, I gemmed a veiled dreadstone and the spell hit didn't increase at all although the Melee and Ranged hit did. Tried different items, relogging etc.

Anyone else seen this?

edit: just tried lightning eye of zul with same result

Why would you gem for hit when you can gem for spirit, get the same hit, and some OoC regen? I've got purified dreadstones and they are all working as expected.

iamrelevart · 10/21/10, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Ranghar

As MF and IS have the same duration, I tried making my life a bit more simple and crafted this simple macro:

#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=5/target Moonfire, Insect Swarm

Unfortunately it gets stuck in solar eclipse and casts Sunfire over and over again. Looks like a bug, so I reported it. Do you know any workaround, which I can use before they fix it?

This makes no sense. Either you use this macro and then don't have access to moonfire on your action bar for movement situations (which means you're not maximizing your DPS) or you have this macro AND moonfire on your bar, in which case you're really not saving any buttons.

Originally Posted by Mjoedgaard

Also at the moment you want to cast IS before MF in lunar eclipse and sunfire before IS in solar eclipse

You shouldn't be overriding Moonfire with Sunfire currently due to the 3 second tick time on Sunfire (which we're assuming is a bug that will get fixed). Just wait till Moonfire expires naturally. Casting IS before MF in Lunar and Sunfire before IS in Solar is only if you are refreshing DoTs RIGHT as Eclipse is proccing. We switch the order because the first DoT usually casts before Eclipse is active and we want to make sure the "stronger" DoT gets buffed.

If you're refreshing naturally (not overriding) then it's basically a non-issue.

Mortilia · 10/21/10, 1:09 PM

Originally Posted by iamrelevart

You shouldn't be overriding Moonfire with Sunfire currently due to the 3 second tick time on Sunfire (which we're assuming is a bug that will get fixed).

I believe that the bonus damage from Solar makes sunfire's ticks for more, but less often, and ends up doing about as much damage to a non-eclipsed moonfire. I personally prefer to refresh both dots at the same time.

Originally Posted by iamrelevart

Casting IS before MF in Lunar and Sunfire before IS in Solar is only if you are refreshing DoTs RIGHT as Eclipse is proccing. We switch the order because the first DoT usually casts before Eclipse is active and we want to make sure the "stronger" DoT gets buffed.

If you're refreshing naturally (not overriding) then it's basically a non-issue.

We want to cast the weaker DoT first to proc NG, and then have a +15% haste on our stronger DoT.

Mjoedgaard · 10/21/10, 4:51 PM

Originally Posted by iamrelevart

This makes no sense. Either you use this macro and then don't have access to moonfire on your action bar for movement situations (which means you're not maximizing your DPS) or you have this macro AND moonfire on your bar, in which case you're really not saving any buttons.

You shouldn't be overriding Moonfire with Sunfire currently due to the 3 second tick time on Sunfire (which we're assuming is a bug that will get fixed). Just wait till Moonfire expires naturally. Casting IS before MF in Lunar and Sunfire before IS in Solar is only if you are refreshing DoTs RIGHT as Eclipse is proccing. We switch the order because the first DoT usually casts before Eclipse is active and we want to make sure the "stronger" DoT gets buffed.

If you're refreshing naturally (not overriding) then it's basically a non-issue.

I never said you should overrid moonfire with sunfire. Only reason I said what I did is because you have to cast the opposite dot first while under eclipse and therefor would a macro be a major dps lose.

Royalite · 10/21/10, 5:29 PM

Originally Posted by faxfan2005

Veiled dreadstone problem?

I've reforged to just below the hit cap - 434, I gemmed a veiled dreadstone and the spell hit didn't increase at all although the Melee and Ranged hit did. Tried different items, relogging etc.

Anyone else seen this?

edit: just tried lightning eye of zul with same result

I have a similar problem. It could be one of two things simple UI bug or something more.

Sometimes when I regem/reforge hit or spirirt the changes may or may not be reflected in the character sheet.

I put in a ticket and still waiting on an answer.

Others have reported a similar problem.
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mullie · 10/21/10, 6:22 PM

Now that we can reforge phalactery to 104crit / 68 haste with the 1207sp proc is it better than Charred Scale?
With crit being far below the "worthyness' of what it once was, is it worth dropping and just using heroic charred scale and DFO combo? Our old BIS trinkets were Phalac and Charred but using Charred over phalac is a 116 haste increase and a 346 spell power drop (from proc). @.@

another way would be to keep phalac and replace dfo with charred. Gaining 14 haste and gaining the full 861 haste for full 15seconds instead of waiting for rampup (dfo).

I wasn't sure if the calcs had been updated to show the haste changes / reforge changes.

Zojun · 10/21/10, 8:14 PM

Our "old" BIS were always HC DFO and Charred assuming you could stay above the soft crit cap during Lunar. Now that crit has fallen in relative value, I see no reason as to why this would have changed.