[WOTLK 4.0] Balance Discussion - Page 4

• Hamlet · 10/12/10, 12:58 PM

It's 5%.

Kluian · 10/12/10, 12:58 PM

Is 18 spirit boot enchant better than 12 hit / crit? Assuming you can get 6 haste in the gained hit from reforging.

• Adoriele · 10/12/10, 1:00 PM

Originally Posted by Kluian

I wonder if anyone plans on making a CLCret style addon for moonkins. Basically informing you on what your current and next cast should be, configured to match how the eclipse bar will be positioned after those casts finish.

There's an addon named SquawkHard which used to do this. I have no idea when it was last updated (it may be up-to-date).

Royalite · 10/12/10, 1:57 PM

Originally Posted by Adoriele

There's an addon named SquawkHard which used to do this. I have no idea when it was last updated (it may be up-to-date).

That one hasn't been updated in a year or so.

Owl Advisor has been filling that niche for the last few patches but I don't know the authors plans for 4.0.
I'd say currently no one has one publicly available for 4.0 currently.

Erdluf · 10/12/10, 2:20 PM

For "tell me what button to press" Ovale at Curseforge previously did this.

I have not tried the current one. Taking a quick look at its source (r266, Druide,lua and Ovale.lua), the mechanics for a 4.x rotation are mostly in place (including predicting that the cast-in-progress will proc Eclipse), but the priority list is not very good.

Problems with the current priority list (by my reading).

- No SS during Eclipse, unless Shooting Stars is about to expire.
- No IS during Lunar.
- Only time a DoT may be clipped is for MF during movement.
- The "moving" priority list does not include IS (even without clipping)
- A nuke-in-progress that will proc Eclipse may be followed by a DoT recommendation.
- No option to make Starfall Lunar-only.
- No Thorns option
- No low-mana rotation

None of that looks terribly hard to fix, so there should be something better before too long.

• Hamlet · 10/12/10, 3:05 PM

Migrating the OP to TTT article now that WoW 3.0 is gone. I assume this will still be the 4.0 Balance discussion thread.

Maga · 10/12/10, 3:08 PM

concerning new gemming, since it was mentioned earlier that as long as lvl 80 ICC gear is still what is being handled socket bonuses are not to be ignored and it actually makes sense, so things should be like:

1 nightmare tear+purified dreadstone for meta activation
20 int yellow gems (Brilliant King's Amber) in whatever sockets we previously ignored socket bonuses in (blue sockets other than the 2 filled with the meta matchers)
20 int yellow gems (Brilliant King's Amber) in yellow sockets
12 spellpower/10 int orange gems (Luminous Ametrine) in all red sockets

that should put us at a better position than going all out 20 ints.

• Hamlet · 10/12/10, 3:20 PM

Int is red stat on gems now.

M� nze · 10/12/10, 3:50 PM

At certain levels of haste, our DoT's gain extra ticks. With 3/3 Genesis and Moonkin Form, and no Glyph of Starfire, they get an 11th tick at 365 haste rating, a 12th tick at 712 rating, and a 13th tick at 1059 rating. When affected by Nature's Grace, the 14th tick comes at 493 rating, the 15th tick at 795 rating, and the 16th tick at 1097 rating.

@ Arawethion

So the 14th tick comes at 1406 and 17th at 1399 when affected by NG ? ( I'm not sure if my math is right, 2nd value is smaller then w/o NG o0) 1.4k haste seems pretty doable with BiS gear and reforging all the crit/spirit (e.g double haste trinkets or reforging Phylactery, which gives lots of extra haste), could you pls include those values for the sake of completeness?

After checking lether loot available atm Handguards of Winter's Respite seem to beat setgloves. So 4PC t10 + those are BiS combination now i guess? Item Comparison

• Hamlet · 10/12/10, 3:57 PM

I'm using Leather of Stitched Scourge Parts - Item - World of Warcraft because I just happened to have them, they're almost identical.

I'll check on those haste numbers in a minute.

• Hamlet · 10/12/10, 4:30 PM

1398 for the 16th (I had the number wrong before) tick with NG is correct, and 1406 for the 14th tick without NG. Will add to the post.

• Hamlet · 10/12/10, 5:11 PM

Someone reminded me that Black Magic can be used on 1H weapons. Does that make it better than 63sp? At a glance, I think so.

M� nze · 10/12/10, 5:55 PM

250 haste for 10sec with 35sec icd and 35% procrate according to wowhead-> 250*10/35=71.4 haste, so yeah probably better.
But the short duration of the buff could also be pain in the ass in encouters involving movement or some rng interrups or stunmechanics. But thats actually old news. I would say on short duration/ tankandspank fights it might be better and its probably equal to 63sp on all other encounters.

GotlandsUgglan · 10/12/10, 6:22 PM

Originally Posted by Erdluf

For "tell me what button to press" Ovale at Curseforge previously did this.

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None of that looks terribly hard to fix, so there should be something better before too long.

There is a bug as well since Ovale is thinking that Star Surge is "smart" so the predictable energy is wrong when in an eclipse.

It is easy to change and i am currently working on a moonkin script at the moment but i need to test the some things

First how should Dots be handled.
When should they not be refreshed?
Is it worth clipping Is to get 2 within the Lunar eclipse?
Which eclipse to procc first or should we start in Lunar/Solar? Starting in Solar means that we can pop Starfall but starting in Lunar means that IS will be buffed at start.

I should have a updated rotation in Ovale forum tomorrow if someone want to review it.

• Hamlet · 10/13/10, 12:14 AM

So, does anyone else not have Insect Swarm? :P