I can confirm that you do have to go to another trainer. The moonglade trainer will tell you that you have IS trained, but if you go to Thunderbluff (i did) or Darnassus (as i read an alliance character say) that trainer will allow you to pick up IS.

I don't want to poison the pool here (so to speak) but can some peeps with Heroic Nibelung do some parses? I'm getting some extreme numbers that aren't making sense. Seems very overpowered at this point. I'll post some numbers in a bit. I'm almost afraid to post em if it's a bug on my end.

Crit does nothing for us but cause us to crit more often. There are no baked in effects which are tied to crit, therefore it is a strict flat increase in the damage dealt by a particular spell (+1% crit increase the damage of spells that crit by ~1%... a little more with stacking crit bonus mods). Haste does the same thing, it causes you to cast things faster, but that also cause effects in our talents to proc more often, thereby increasing the relative effect it has on our DPS. Essentially, 1% of Haste increases your casting speed by 1% causing damage to go up by 1%, but it has additional synergy with our talents (Shooting Stars is a great example) which cause it to increase that damage bonus by more than 1%.

This is all overly simplistic and not meant to be empirical by any means, but in all cases Haste > Crit > Mastery, no matter what. There are no caps. Although there are certain points which cause haste to gain another DoT tick, haste is inherently better anyway so there's not much of a big difference there.

To answer your question... if you can reforge Crit into Haste, that means your other stat on the item is either Spirit, Hit, or Mastery. If it is Hit or Spirit, that depends whether or not you're over the hit cap. If the other stat is Mastery, you should reforge Mastery, because Crit > Mastery.

Raided as Moonkin for most of ICC tonight. All in all, it's really a lot of fun. Kind of late so I won't comment too much, just some parses:

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

All in all I honestly played pretty terribly because everything was unfamiliar and really need to clean up my UI to handle all these new things to keep track of. I'm talking mostly in terms of awareness (I kept annoying Sebudai by doing dumb things because I busy trying to figure out how to play), but there's room for improvement on the DPS too in terms of bad DoT refreshes and missed cooldowns and things.

Also, trash is pretty hilarious. 30k+ DPS on any pack with a bunch of mobs is typical (pure IS/Sunfire spam). DPS reading around 50k during the middle of the pack before the mobs start dying.

This pretty much says it all: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Look at all the chickens in the top 10 WOLs of pretty much every 25m ICCHM except H LK. The tank and heal changes are making that fight very tough which is the only reason we aren't seeing incredible numbers there as well.

Clearly insect swarm is way way OP and will be nerfed shortly I expect, much as searing pain was quickly nerfed for locks.

Enjoy being OP for the moment and expect it'll change...as early as tomorrow. Already saw some adjustments tonight.

What was changed tonight?

Out of 11 top10, resulting in 110 spots there are a whopping 4 balance druids (none of them being #1), indeed very OP

Btw, are there bis gear profiles around together with dps breakdowns, would need some to check against simcraft :o

Starfox,

Make sure you've got the 25 Heroic tab selected, not the 10 Normal it defaults to.
(back to lurking the feral thread).

Which is surprising why GC didn't bring up moonkins when he said Fire mages were too strong. I'm not sure if he was referring to the fact that Fire mages remain too strong at 85, while Moonkin fell behind because of their mana issues (until the recent Beta build).

I agree. With the new procs and CDs in a raiding environment, I found myself quite often losing track of where I was on the eclipse bar and hit the wrong spell before correcting myself. On top of being late on Starsurge procs and needing keeping a closer eye on DoT refreshes.

Still with a very poor unpolished rotation (with more emphasis on very poor), I hit 17k+ dps on Marrowgar where my saving grace was my high IS uptime.

However, I am leery about jumping on the nerf wagon. Something Blizzards has expressed as well in their quest for class balance:Lessons were learned from the BC > WotLK transition in which many classes were called OP at 70 when the design was meant for 80. I read stories of the roller coaster buffs/nerfs those classes recieved on their way to balance whereas the problems wouldn't have been a big deal if everyone waited for 80.

I just would use caution. Just because we will not have these levels of haste and crit at 85. I don't have a beta invite but I haven't read of any beta tester gawking at the IS dmg there. A nerf to IS now might really hurt us at 85.

I am just saying we have a 30% buff arua and skills designed around much lower haste and crit gear. I'd expect our dmg to go up but I am worried about the state of the moonkin if we start to set ourselves up for balancing at 80 with stat inflation.

Applying dots and doing damage with them are not suppose to move the eclipse bar. This is intended.