[WOTLK 4.0] Balance Discussion - Page 8

Arcurium · 10/15/10, 1:11 PM

Been spending a lot of time at the test dummy lately, after hearing people complain about sunfire being buggy. I think I have determined the problem.

It IS affected by haste, and therefore natures grace. What is happening is that when it morphs it is no longer affected by Genesis. My nonNG moonfire ticks 12 times, 14 times with NG. Sunfire nonNG only ticks 8 times, 10 times with NG. Not sure if this was intentional or merely a bug blizzard needs to fix.

Anyone else think this might be the problem? I haven't seen anything about it here

Kluian · 10/15/10, 1:52 PM

My sunfire has a 18 sec duration, so yes it's effected by Genesis. Haste is effecting Sunfire, but sunfire still has a base 3 second dot tick duration, instead of 2 like moonfire.

Arcurium · 10/15/10, 2:19 PM

Ah thank you, that explains it!

Ranghar · 10/15/10, 2:30 PM

I'm pretty sure out damage got "fixed" today. According to my test IS damage was more-less halved (13% of total damage in 5 min test). The rest seems to be the same as it was before. Overall dps is still respectable, so nothing to be worried about.

Royalite · 10/15/10, 4:19 PM

Originally Posted by Kaitain

I don't think Owlkin Frenzy has changed. I looked at a few ICC parses of top moonkins that had it (i did not last night) and they were getting 20-25 ish procs for the night, with uptimes around 6%. So 10% of 6% tiny still. But as aceofsween says, it's the only real damage filler, such as it is.

I am wondering if the dmg source that OF used to proc has changed.
I am not sure but OF seems to be proccing a lot more than usual.

I seemed to have gotten OF procs from LD's ice volley...
She volleyed during my log at 20:27:30 and I got a OF proc after.
I got about three OF procs from her ice volley during that fight.
My log says 16 total procs for the whole of the one LD fight but I am wondering if there is some sort of reporting error there.
I was also seeing an uptime of 18% from OF for the night of raiding.

Looking at logs before the patch I thought it would be uncommon for OF to proc at all during a fight as a lot of aoe type abilities didn't trigger it.
I don't recall OF proccing from LD's volleys before or am I recalling this wrong.

Mortilia · 10/15/10, 4:30 PM

Originally Posted by Royalite

I am wondering if the dmg source that OF used to proc has changed.
I am not sure but OF seems to be proccing a lot more than usual.

I noticed it proccing a few times on Syndragosa yesterday, although I was too busy trying to keep up with the rotation to check what procced it. It definitively is worth the 3 points for now.

• Hamlet · 10/15/10, 4:47 PM

The main nerf besides the 50% IS that everyone has mentioned is 10% off of Moonfury for most spells. It's now 15% for all nukes and AoE's and the Moonfire DD. Basically, everything except for IS, the Moonfire DoT, and the spells it doesn't affect at all (Roots/Thorns). More here:
http://elitistjerks.com/blogs/hamlet...tch_gotem.html

aceofsween · 10/15/10, 4:59 PM

Thorns did go down, but not by much, this much I can confirm. Tooltip from a few days ago gave me 2074 per hit, now what I'm seeing is 1841, so a net loss of a little over 200 damage for my gear. I don't think it was that big of a deal, but it's definitely there.

Btw Hamlet, in blog about Moonfury... Does that mean most of our spells effectively are doing 10% reduced damage, and Insect Swarm and Moonfire are doing 25%?

• Hamlet · 10/15/10, 5:25 PM

Looking now, Thorns is being weird. Tooltip reads 1921 damage with 3425sp, Moonkin spec. Shifting into form makes it 1969. 400+0.421*3425 is 1842.

e: and if I swap to Resto, tooltip reverts to 1842. Some buff is being odd. I should check on an actual mob.

e2: 1842 in Resto spec was accurate. In the 1921 case (out of form), actual Thorns damage was 2204. In form (tooltip 1969, actual damage was 2424. Not obvious yet how these numbers work out.

e3: aha. It's 15% Moonfury here as well. So it did lose a little damage, no drastic nerf though.

Latas · 10/15/10, 6:23 PM

So given that they didn't update the tooltip in the summary I wonder if this is only for level 80.

• Hamlet · 10/15/10, 6:26 PM

Originally Posted by Latas

So given that they didn't update the tooltip in the summary I wonder if this is only for level 80.

Just checked, Moonfury and IS nerfs aren't present on beta (13189).

Zojun · 10/15/10, 7:13 PM

Both MMO-Champ and WoWhead are reporting that they are with the newest patch (13195), alongside the rest of the balancing changes.

Latas · 10/15/10, 7:24 PM

Odd no mention of the moonfury change. But there is mention of mage specialization changes.

Zagortenej · 10/15/10, 7:32 PM

After IS nerf, is IS glyph still in top three?

• Hamlet · 10/15/10, 7:34 PM

Originally Posted by Zojun

Both MMO-Champ and WoWhead are reporting that they are with the newest patch (13195), alongside the rest of the balancing changes.

Augh, looks like I tested at exactly the wrong time. Still, who knows what they really plan at 85--I still wouldn't focus on potential balance issues too much on the beta.

IS still a top Glyph, yes.