[WOTLK 4.0] Bear Discussion - Page 10

Bashui · 11/19/10, 9:12 AM

Originally Posted by luvinjefe

I've seen different people list openers with/without Maul at all. Is it still viable to macro Maul in with every attack? Are those that are not using Maul in their listings using that?

You can still macro maul. Something I have been doing for a long time is putting a conditional on it like:

/use [form:1,equipped:tabard]Maul

Which will only auto maul when I have a tabard equipped. For a fight like Saurfang, where I need to control when I maul, or if I know I am going to have rage issues I will unequip the tabard and trigger it manually.

Yoha · 11/19/10, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Bashui

You can copy it to your own google docs account if you have one (or dl it to excel to play with it). You can also click on the show formulas button to see what the cells are evaluating. I really wish there was some way to mark the input fields as editable by anyone.

Meh, it isn't perfect, but if you want to screw around with your own sheet you should be able to duplicate the main sheet and edit the duplicate (click on the arrow next to the sheet name).

Appears to be pretty much spot on so it's fine :P

@Luvinjefe

No, you don't need to add the ! anymore, because it was used to keep maul activated when it was ON NEXT attack. As it's on a 2 sec CD now, and it's used when pressed (rage & CD dependant ofc).

I'd assume that when people are saying their rotation and don't mention maul, it's because they're thinking that Maul used on CD / macroed to everything is a given.

Burasuka · 11/19/10, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Sadirin

They do stack, buts its not additive, its multiplicative.

You mean 160% * 120% * 112% = 215% right? So with all three up i should get 0 damage from any attack? I want to be sure i'm getting it right.

Gallowglass · 11/19/10, 12:23 PM

1*0.4*0.8*0.88 = 28% damage taken, or a 72% damage reduction.

Lithou · 11/21/10, 3:01 AM

Originally Posted by Burasuka

You mean 160% * 120% * 112% = 215% right? So with all three up i should get 0 damage from any attack? I want to be sure i'm getting it right.

Not exactly Burasuka. Think of it this way:

If you were to take 10,000 damage (ignoring all other forms of mitigation, avoidance, etc) and had 60% reduction from survival instincts, then the damage taken would be 60% less or 10,000 * .4 = 4,000 damage. If you then had barkskin up at the same time the 20% reduction would be based off the 4,000 damage not the 10,000 so it would be 4,000 * .8 = 3200 damage taken. this means that barkskin is only providing an additional 8% damage reduction if used while survival instincts is active. As Gallow pointed out the total of all three is 72% so your 4pieceT10 enrage only adds 4% if the other two are up.

bottom line: stagger out the use of cool downs to maximize their effectiveness and avoid the knee-jerk reaction of hitting all your cool downs when you get below half health.

Toletheus · 11/23/10, 2:38 PM

Originally Posted by Bashui

You can still macro maul. Something I have been doing for a long time is putting a conditional on it like:

Which will only auto maul when I have a tabard equipped. For a fight like Saurfang, where I need to control when I maul, or if I know I am going to have rage issues I will unequip the tabard and trigger it manually.

Another way to do it, is using something like Dominos and macros to make a toggle. An example with Dominos:

1. Set up two bars - Bar A and Bar B. Put Maul in Bar A Slot 1, and leave Bar B Slot 1 empty.
2. Create an Action Page rule where Bar A swaps with Bar B when the keybind is pressed.
3. Create macros for Mangle, Swipe, Lacerate, etc, using the spell in question and then a line to click the button in Bar A. Something like:

/cast Swipe(Bear Form)
/click BarAButton1

Then you just have to go into the keybinds and bind one key to Action Page 1 and one key to whatever Action Page you tied Bar A to.

Now when you press your Swipe macro, it will cast swipe, as well as clicking the button where you placed your Maul spell. You can press your action page keybind to toggle the contents of that button while in combat, and thus can turn maul "on" for high-rage-income scenarios, or toggle it off if you find yourself low.

Bashui · 11/23/10, 3:54 PM

Originally Posted by Toletheus

Another way to do it, is using something like Dominos and macros to make a toggle. An example with Dominos:

1. Set up two bars - Bar A and Bar B. Put Maul in Bar A Slot 1, and leave Bar B Slot 1 empty.
2. Create an Action Page rule where Bar A swaps with Bar B when the keybind is pressed.
3. Create macros for Mangle, Swipe, Lacerate, etc, using the spell in question and then a line to click the button in Bar A. Something like:

/cast Swipe(Bear Form)
/click BarAButton1

Then you just have to go into the keybinds and bind one key to Action Page 1 and one key to whatever Action Page you tied Bar A to.

Now when you press your Swipe macro, it will cast swipe, as well as clicking the button where you placed your Maul spell. You can press your action page keybind to toggle the contents of that button while in combat, and thus can turn maul "on" for high-rage-income scenarios, or toggle it off if you find yourself low.

Interesting, this was something more along the lines of what I was trying to do when I figured out that macro. Never bothered looking in to dominos before, but I will have to do some investigation.

Ocho · 11/24/10, 5:36 PM

I don't remember seeing any patch notes about armour, but I've noticed that since the patch I have about 10k more fully buffed.

Did I miss something?

madar · 11/25/10, 4:15 AM

No, you did not miss, but seems the Thick Hide is bugged:

Did bear form get armor buff on beta few days ago?.Approximately week ago i had ~35k armor in bear, but now it has increased to ~55k(full epic pre made). Its weird because i didn't notice any patch notes about it, and tooltips from our talents and bear form haven't changed.

It's the same on PTR right now. Thick Hide gives 40/80/120% extra armor from bear form instead of the intended 11/22/33%. I hadn't noticed it as I haven't tested Bear that much recently so I'm not sure when it happened.

It's almost certainly a bug since bears would have a *lot* more armor than other tanks with this version of Thick Hide, unless of course other tanks get a similar rise in armor which at least isn't the case for my death knight on the PTR.

(Quotes from the Beta topic)

The talent says 4/7/10% increase from cloth and leather, plus additional 11/22/33% increase.

My personal experiences is the following:

Starting armor without Thick Hide in Bear: 19591
Putting one point to Thick Hide: 20367
Shift out - shift back: 25613
Putting second point to Thick Hide: 26346
Shift out - shift back: 31743
Putting third point to Thick Hide: 32628
Shift out - shift back (final number): 38176

Tashia · 11/26/10, 1:59 AM

I don't think it is a bug, since they did some hotfixes already:

Death Strike now properly heals for 20% of the damage taken within the last 5 seconds, and Blood Presence now increases armor contribution from items by 30%, down from 60%

They could have easily fixed our armor also if it were a bug.