[BETA] Bear Discussion

Glandur · 10/29/10, 8:34 AM

What's the reasoning behind evening out tank health ? Bears are still missing parry - is savage defense really good enough to compensate for that ?

I know that we have higher dodge than the other tanks, but if we're getting the exact same amount of HP - I'm just afraid that we'll be shafted in the avoidance department.

kalbear · 10/29/10, 11:14 AM

Avoidance across all tanks appears to be roughly similar. While other tanks have parry they also have much higher issues with diminishing returns than bears do.

Now, what you should be worried about is that warriors and paladins will get to a point where everything is blocked at 30% or better and druids never get there - and savage defense is weaker than 30%. That's not where things are right now, at least.

Zofi · 10/29/10, 12:23 PM

Maximelene · 11/02/10, 6:18 AM

Is there, somewhere, a hint about relative stat values ? I'm writing a stuff list for cataclysm bears, and would like relative stats values to establish approximative scores.

Thanks

unholyglore2 · 11/19/10, 2:36 PM

What changes are happening that warrant a talent point reset? AFAIK the only bear things being changed are the nerf to bonus hp in bear form, and modifying mangle and swipe's number a little. Is there something else happening in beta?

sirinsa · 11/19/10, 5:29 PM

I think a change in the talent tree structure (i.e. adding/removing a talent or changing the number of points) will warrant a talent reset. The restoration tree was changed (revitalize changed from 3pt to 2 pt, swift rejuv changed from 2 to 1) so druid get a reset.

Nerfing or buffing does not warrant a reset as far as I know.

Berthgar · 11/21/10, 4:16 PM

Did bear form get armor buff on beta few days ago?.Approximately week ago i had ~35k armor in bear, but now it has increased to ~55k(full epic pre made). Its weird because i didn't notice any patch notes about it, and tooltips from our talents and bear form haven't changed.

Krag · 11/21/10, 6:43 PM

It's the same on PTR right now. Thick Hide gives 40/80/120% extra armor from bear form instead of the intended 11/22/33%. I hadn't noticed it as I haven't tested Bear that much recently so I'm not sure when it happened.

It's almost certainly a bug since bears would have a *lot* more armor than other tanks with this version of Thick Hide, unless of course other tanks get a similar rise in armor which at least isn't the case for my death knight on the PTR.