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Old 12/04/10, 2:04 PM   #46
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For the first I'll probably just do what I did in WC and add a note warning about that. I'll put in the second.


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Old 12/04/10, 3:07 PM   #47
Kluian
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It appears there is an incorrect HPS boost for trinkets that give an average haste increase that would bring you to another haste tier in hot ticks. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seams the spreadsheet counts hots ticking 100% with that average haste

For example if I equip Witching Hourglass (haste proc) it will detail my haste at 2227 (this trinket adds an average haste of 342), which is high enough for a 9th WG tick. On the HOTS page it shows WG with 9 ticks, Even though a good portion of the time my WG would only be doing 8 ticks.

* There appears to be a bug somewhere. I'm sitting at 1885 haste in the spreadsheet and it's claiming on the HOT page that WG receives 9 ticks, when it should be 8.

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Old 12/04/10, 3:10 PM   #48
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Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what to do about that. It's one of annoyances of having such a granular behavior of haste. Nature's Grace is handled explicitly--broken up into 2 different cases and averaged together. I don't have a convenient solution for all other temporary haste effects though.


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Old 12/04/10, 3:14 PM   #49
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Just some minor things

You point out leatherworking above the other professions cause of the bracer enchant but say it is in line with the other professions.

"Beyond that, Jewelcrafting, Blacksmithing, Alchemy, Enchanting, Inscription, and Leatherworking all provide roughly equal gains."


You wrote "nerved" instead of --nerfed-- when talking about Efflorescence.

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Old 12/04/10, 5:54 PM   #50
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This is basically final for Cataclysm release. I'll still fix any major issues if they arise, but otherwise I'm going to be on break from this recent spate of heavy updating for a little while--probably until we're a bit into raiding at 85 and have some new experience to go on.

This thread (and all the other current ones) will be locked soon, but a new thread for Cataclysm discussion will be open on release day.

e: snuck in one minor sheet update just now--fixing value of GOTEM proc.

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Old 12/04/10, 9:38 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by Hamlet View Post
[*]Omen of Clarity: Has a 3.5/60 = 5.83% chance to proc on spellcast. Among healing spells, is only consumed by Healing Tough, Regrowth, and Swiftmend. Lasts 8 seconds now, down from 15 in WLK.
Are you sure there's nothing more to that OoC chance to proc? It seemed a bit high for me so I tried to test it and, although the samples are rather small, I found something wierd:

I managed to go through 4 mana bars chain casting Regrowth - 164 casts - no Clearcasting procs.
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

I then chain casted Lifebloom and stopped after I got my 4th Clearcasting proc, by that time I had casted 154 Lifeblooms.
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

It's very late now but tomorrow I'll try to run some larger samples and to test some other spells as well.

PS I had no points in Malfurion's Gift.

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Old 12/04/10, 9:52 PM   #52
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Hmm, that is odd. I never actually tested OoC procs in quite a while. I'll at least put one of those "check" flags on that for now.


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Old 12/05/10, 1:00 AM   #53
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I've been able to get OoC to proc from Nourish / Rejuv / Regrowth (in ToL). Nothing to comment on the actual proc rate though. 5%+ seems high though, I imagine it's closer to 2%.

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Old 12/05/10, 6:18 AM   #54
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Larger samples.

1. Regrowth, 851 casts, 2 Clearcasting procs. Hopefully from Regrowth casts, as I don't expect Energized (Solace buff) or Living Seed to proc it. I will remove Solace for the next tries.
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

2. Rejuvenation, 631 casts, 17 Clearcasting procs (~2.7%)
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

3. Lifebloom (no points in Malfurion's Gift), 847 casts, 27 Clearcasting procs (~3.18%)
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

4. Healing Touch, 271 casts, 2 Clearcasting procs, and talk about RNG, exactly one after the other
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

12/5 14:39:16.378  SPELL_CAST_START,0x0380000001E2692F,"Nonplus",0x10511,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,5185,"Healing Touch",0x8
12/5 14:39:16.378  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0380000001E2692F,"Nonplus",0x10511,0x0380000001E2692F,"Nonplus",0x10511,16870,"Clearcasting",0x8,BUFF
12/5 14:39:17.227  SPELL_CAST_FAILED,0x0380000001E2692F,"Nonplus",0x10511,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,5185,"Healing Touch",0x8,"Another action is in progress"
12/5 14:39:18.359  SPELL_HEAL,0x0380000001E2692F,"Nonplus",0x10511,0x0380000001E2692F,"Nonplus",0x10511,5185,"Healing Touch",0x8,13360,13360,0,nil
12/5 14:39:18.594  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0380000001E2692F,"Nonplus",0x10511,0x0380000001E2692F,"Nonplus",0x10511,16870,"Clearcasting",0x8,BUFF
12/5 14:39:18.594  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0380000001E2692F,"Nonplus",0x10511,0x0380000001E2692F,"Nonplus",0x10511,16870,"Clearcasting",0x8,BUFF
12/5 14:39:18.910  SPELL_CAST_START,0x0380000001E2692F,"Nonplus",0x10511,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,5185,"Healing Touch",0x8
12/5 14:39:20.909  SPELL_HEAL,0x0380000001E2692F,"Nonplus",0x10511,0x0380000001E2692F,"Nonplus",0x10511,5185,"Healing Touch",0x8,18961,18961,0,1
12/5 14:39:21.226  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0380000001E2692F,"Nonplus",0x10511,0x0380000001E2692F,"Nonplus",0x10511,16870,"Clearcasting",0x8,BUFF
5. Nourish, 364 casts, 7 Clearcasting procs (~ 1.95%)
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

I don't know what to make of these numbers, it looks like there is a difference between spells that consume OoC and those that don't in their chance to proc OoC. Maybe someone with a better method and more experience in rigorous testing might take another stab at it.

*later edit: looking through the logs I see some things I'm not sure how to interpret: some Clearcasting procs have the same time stamp as a SPELL_CAST_START - I thought OoC procs on finished, succesful casts
12/5 14:56:01.574  SPELL_CAST_START,0x0380000001E2692F,"Nonplus",0x10511,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,50464,"Nourish",0x8
12/5 14:56:01.574  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0380000001E2692F,"Nonplus",0x10511,0x0380000001E2692F,"Nonplus",0x10511,16870,"Clearcasting",0x8,BUFF
12/5 14:39:16.378  SPELL_CAST_START,0x0380000001E2692F,"Nonplus",0x10511,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,5185,"Healing Touch",0x8
12/5 14:39:16.378  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0380000001E2692F,"Nonplus",0x10511,0x0380000001E2692F,"Nonplus",0x10511,16870,"Clearcasting",0x8,BUFF

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Old 12/05/10, 3:14 PM   #55
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TreeCalcs version 1.3 is alive

Hi trees,

Sorry for being late with updated treecalcs.com - was completely overloaded. I've managed to support version 101019 of Hamlet spreadsheet. Support of the latest version will require some really hard work, so I think it will take like 2 months or so. But at least there is something working right now.

Resto Druid Healing Calculator

One more thing is that Armory still does not reflect Reforging and does not provide Mastery info. Hopefully it will be fixed as well in order to make online version more usable.

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