[RESTO] Cataclysm pre-raid itemisation - Page 3

Kluian · 12/02/10, 12:37 AM

I'd have to disagree with your distribution of rejuvenation. You appear to be basing a lot of your claims on your attempts to heal 4.0+ in WotLK. Final tier WoTLK and first tier Cata are pretty different. Saying Rejuv is 40-60% of your healing is kind of insane from what I saw on the final builds of beta in raids. I think at most you'll see 25-30%. In a lot of cases you'll see WG do more healing than Rejuv. WG is usually around 30% EH. If you're using Rejuv that much you'll be going oom rather quickly, even in full 359 gear.

Greentouch · 12/02/10, 12:49 AM

That was largely from my actual Beta experience, though granted I didn't get to do heroic content. I did go through mana fairly quickly, but managed by planning on using a concentration potion every fight for 22k free mana, I would actually regen mana during tol by switching to LB spread, clearcasts into RG approach, 30% mana every 3 min from sharing innervates, and of course mana tide.

If you plan before the fight starts, and let other healers know, I'd almost guarantee you can use the concentration potion in 70% of heroic bosses, and not lose it more than 10% of the time. However it is a risk, my 2 professions will be Alc/Eng, I'll use mysterious pots in any case I'm not sure of, they have the potential for even more mana than concentration if they crit, and or proc a mana pot, plus the potential of beneficial pot effects and the free hp. (and alc skill greatly reduces the downside of it.)

You are probably right, 60% would be too much though, probably should have said 40-50%. 25-40% if I'm mostly focused on tank healing.

Having a higher % of smart heals does lower Masterys benefit, but Cast heals will also go up if RJ goes down, and they largely piggyback off of WG hots as well. Basically being mana starved will lower your benefit from mastery a small amount, but it also reduces hastes benefit pretty substantially.

As fun as I find TC, sometimes I envy the dps classes that have one line for stat priority and be done, no arguments. Hit>Int>Haste>Crit>Mastery, done. (Or whatever)

Not so for the poor lil Resto Druid. Within the first 2 tiers, across all the bosses I've done, and all group sizes from 5-25, I could give a situation validating Spirit/Mastery/Haste/Crit in ANY ORDER of priority(well... excepting Crit at the top). So we are stuck looking for the averages, or, mostly when it comes to spirit and regen, the worst case scenario.

Kluian · 12/02/10, 12:53 AM

Not every druid can rely on sharing 30% Innervates. 22k mana pots are difficult to use in heroic encounters. More often than not something hits you during the fight and breaks you out early, making it a worse pot to use than a normal one.

Daisil · 12/02/10, 9:38 AM

As far as reforging goes, seems that the best method is to hit the 916 haste mark via haste gear and reforging as little as possible (when you have to reforge, reforge OFF mastery for haste, and nothing else). Mastery serves its purpose, but I highly doubt we would ever want a large sum of it. Reforging mastery--->haste when needed seems to be the best EHPS gain.

Lightflower · 12/05/10, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Daisil

As far as reforging goes, seems that the best method is to hit the 916 haste mark via haste gear and reforging as little as possible (when you have to reforge, reforge OFF mastery for haste, and nothing else). Mastery serves its purpose, but I highly doubt we would ever want a large sum of it. Reforging mastery--->haste when needed seems to be the best EHPS gain.

Not getting to the 916 haste mark would require consciously selecting gear which lacked haste and I don't think anyone believes that avoiding that 5th RJ tick in favour of other attributes is beneficial in any way. Per Greentouch's post earlier in the thread, 1777 haste gives you 6 RJ ticks 25% of the time and is attainable in pre-raid gear with no reforging.

At any rate, the question is not between haste breakpoints and mastery but rather haste-beyond-a-breakpoint and mastery/crit. The decision will be resolved almost entirely by how mana constrained you are.

Haste will be an EHPS gain over mastery only for spells which are launched at a target without one of your HoTs on it. Again, it is up to individual usage to determine that but I don't think that a blanket statement that haste is always an EHPS gain over Mastery is constructive or accurate.