I need to go back and check to see exactly how I did it, but I've noticed sometimes Priest/Shaman Inspiration buff and Demo Roar do not always load in my saved buffs setting. When that happens Stam is favored, I check those two buffs and RAWR goes back to what we expect.

Make sure "Target Parry Hastes" in the options tab is unchecked, also I went with Astrylian's suggestion and set the threat value to 7 down from the default 10.

I adjusted the threat value down to 7 as you suggested and also ensured that Parry Haste was still turned off. For some reason it's still pushing for me to forge the majority to Expertise or Mastery. I am going to try and start from scratch again with it to ensure there isn't some weird cache issue going on, but I know it is using the currently available version. Also, I double checked to make sure it WAS set for Bear just in case!

mastery is relatively marginal at chimaeron when considering the conventional tanking setup (MT tanking whites + soak debuff, with OT taunt offs to soak double attacks). In the case of the MT role, with the debuff stacked up the amount of absorb you get from savage defense is rather insignificant compared to the amount of incoming damage. On the OT role, you are likely to have savage defense proc up but due to spikey vengeance, it is almost certain to not absorb as much as say a pally or war block.

On the other hand as you have pointed out, gearing AGI (assuming main tank geared stam) will provide you with the additional dodge needed to increase damage mitigation in this fight. If there was ever a fight where stam gearing seems wasteful in cata, chimaeron is it.

I had the same thoughts and came to the realization that although mastery is more valuable than crit, there is more mastery on those items to be able to convert to dodge (which is more valuable than both mastery and crit)

Obviously there will be limits, and the marginal increase in dodge should outweigh the loss when choosing to convert master over crit.

(At least this is my explanation for the ring... not sure about the poleaxe)

That did the trick perfect! I assumed that even with the threat level having some value it would still not push to reforge for expertise, but I guess I was wrong. For the time being since threat truly isn't an issue I will continue running with a threat of None.

I'm using the same settings proposed in this thread and coming up with different results.

52.39 Agility
31.88 Dodge Rating
31.75 Mastery Rating
14.86 Stamina
12.65 Crit Rating
12.65 Expertise Rating
8.47 Hit Rating
2.58 Haste Rating

Using these values, no matter how much mastery a mastery/crit item has it seems to always be better to reforge the crit to dodge. Also using this values it suggests the DPS head/shoulder enchants. Is anyone else getting similar values to mine? After removing my current stam trinket mastery starts to outpace dodge as well. Even using the optimizer it will select all of the agility enchants which leaves you at a dangerously low HP level it seems.

Possibly an increase in your Vengeance from more hits being taken while trying to negate the damage through the use of your Mastery instead of pure avoidance?

I noticed this as well. By either lowering the raw damage done, or increasing avoidance to the point where vengeance is no longer capping out, mastery was recommended over dodge. As soon as vengeance was maxed (as seen on the basic stats tab) dodge jumped back way ahead again.

I believe RAWR also has not yet been updated to reflect the new understanding of the vengeance cap, so the average expected vengeance AP modeled in RAWR is likely to be inflated from reality. RAWR is giving me an average vengeance AP of around 21k which drastically higher than any actual vengeance value I have observed in game.

I've seen such low valuation of stamina only in one case: hitting the Survival softcap. Did you correctly adjust the Encounter difficulty or the Survival softcap manually? For raiding gear I think T11 heroic may better suit your needs.

What do you understand by "dangerously low HP level"?

I don't know what kind of equipment you were evaluating, but probably you really have too much stamina/armor. Just remember: we got mana consuming fights now. Stacking stamina does not necessarily help.



I'm getting a smilar value...23k...with 168k HP that is an value that is not reachable. Even with earlier patches it was not possible.
stamina + 10% base health would be about 14k max...

Since Enrage still increases physical damage taken by 10% for 10 sec I don't think it's really wise to use it in tank. However it's probably very strong when you shift into cat during some phases where you don't have to be in bear form. I think it's a good choice for some fights like Maloriak, Chimaeron, Halfus and Valiona where you spend a lot of time in cat form.