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Old 03/14/11, 2:28 AM   #226
Ethaillun
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Shattrath (EU)
For Professions, I would push Engineering up to the Top from all the others because if you use the Synapse Springs on CD together with TF or even with berserk it provides the most powerful upgrade.
For sure it could be, that fight length did not provide you the full power of the on use effect, but I think it is better then static 80 Agi from some of the other bonuses.

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Old 03/14/11, 10:28 AM   #227
• Melthu
Confused
 
Troll Druid
 
Alterac Mountains
The professions are listed in alphabetical order, not in order of strength. But you're right so I added a line to make that more clear. Note that fight length isn't really a concern as long as you use it on cooldown - the absolute worst case is that the fight ends just as the cooldown is over, in which case it provides an average of exactly 80 agility. Anything else and it's worth more than 80 agility.

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Old 03/19/11, 2:56 AM   #228
Toastted
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Burning Legion
Darkmoon Card: Hurricane BiS?

I downloaded Rawr 4.1 and loaded my equipment and it now is saying the Darkmoon Card: Hurricane is a BiS trinket for me. I've read in the past that this trinket was not good for feral dps. Is Rawr wrong? Or did Blizzard change the mechanics of the card?

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Old 03/19/11, 7:49 AM   #229
paulthegreat
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
<IHM>
Stormscale
Originally Posted by Toastted View Post
I downloaded Rawr 4.1 and loaded my equipment and it now is saying the Darkmoon Card: Hurricane is a BiS trinket for me. I've read in the past that this trinket was not good for feral dps. Is Rawr wrong? Or did Blizzard change the mechanics of the card?
Have you ensured that all your talent points and buffs are properly selected? If you don't have all your talent points in, a damage proc like on DMC:H will be a greater increase in damage than stats that increase the damage of your weak (if untalented) abilities.

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Old 03/19/11, 2:09 PM   #230
SYnns
Glass Joe
 
Troll Druid
 
Bladefist
Originally Posted by Toastted View Post
I downloaded Rawr 4.1 and loaded my equipment and it now is saying the Darkmoon Card: Hurricane is a BiS trinket for me. I've read in the past that this trinket was not good for feral dps. Is Rawr wrong? Or did Blizzard change the mechanics of the card?
I am having the same situation. Rawr is now showing Darkmoon Card: Hurricane slightly below a reforged hit to mastery Fluid Death. Everything else seems the same as it was in the previous version of rawr. I doubled checked all of my information, selected buffs, and it's all correct. This would put the card at 4th BiS for me currently, so I'm left wondering. Is this an issue with 4.1 Rawr, or has something been overlooked or changed.

My stat values when I get this result are:
Agility 2.7
Strength 2.05
Mastery .99
Attack Power .98
Crit .88
Haste .88
Hit .64
Expertise .64

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Old 03/19/11, 5:54 PM   #231
Toastted
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Burning Legion
Originally Posted by paulthegreat View Post
Have you ensured that all your talent points and buffs are properly selected? If you don't have all your talent points in, a damage proc like on DMC:H will be a greater increase in damage than stats that increase the damage of your weak (if untalented) abilities.
Yes I have filled out my talents and buffs properly and it still shows the card as a BiS alongside UW

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Old 03/21/11, 10:21 AM   #232
david0925
Don Flamenco
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Proudmoore
I had talents unfilled (but raid buffs filled) when DMC: Hurricane is suggested as BiS. Please double check again, as it seems that Rawr 4.1 resets your talent.

If you have double checked (yet again) and it still shows DMC:H as BiS, then I have no idea.

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Old 03/24/11, 11:54 AM   #233
paulthegreat
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
<IHM>
Stormscale
Is 4-pc t11 worth it if I have to shift out to cast Innervate/Tranquility/Rebirth during a fight? For example, in Chimaeron I generally cast Innervate 1-2 times, Tranquility once, and Rebirth once. I feel like dropping 4-pc and not having to worry about casting Mangle at weird times or be unable to refresh Rip when the buff drops off because I had to cast something would be a net dps gain, especially if one or more of the items I use to replace the tier pieces are higher ilvl.

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Old 03/24/11, 2:47 PM   #234
thornmallow
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Molpadia
Tauren Druid
 
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Why you are bothering to cast Innervate? Since it's based on the caster's mana pool these days, a feral Innervate is laughably small. For instance, on your last Chimaeron kill, you innervated your holy paladin for a whopping 5.3k mana. That's not even enough for him to cast a single Divine Light. Is your raid group really so desperate for one more heal?

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Old 03/24/11, 8:26 PM   #235
Nathanyel
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Tauren Druid
 
Kel'Thuzad (EU)
I'm with thornmallow, also it was shown (I think in this thread as well) that even stacking the buff again after a Rebirth was worth more than going without 4T11.

Tender Puregrove: It's those little victores that keep me going. We'll save this forest one squirrel at a time.

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Old 03/24/11, 10:26 PM   #236
david0925
Don Flamenco
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Proudmoore
I would honestly hope you are bringing someone that is worth more than 500 dps the Tier 11 4 piece provides to raid. Innervate might be a more controverial topic because a Feral's innervate offers so little, but Tranquility and Battle Rez are such key abilities that it is definitely worth letting the stack drop to perform a critical action, and that shouldn't even be debated.

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Old 03/27/11, 1:41 PM   #237
Garfiëld
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Tauren Druid
 
Area 52
I think what he was asking had less to do with whether or not tranq and brez are viable abilities to use in a raid, and more to do with whether or not 4pc is truly worth it to someone who may have to come out of form often. I do think that 4pc is a dps increase, but it takes a certain amount of attention or.. "skill" to keep it up. For chim to be an example fight I feel like it would be easy to keep it up considering every feud you end of mangling any way.

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Old 03/27/11, 2:25 PM   #238
Leafkiller
Piston Honda
 
Worgen Druid
 
Stormrage
Originally Posted by Garfiëld View Post
For chim to be an example fight I feel like it would be easy to keep it up considering every feud you end of mangling any way.
Have the raid change the position that Chim is tanked in. You should be on his backside during feuds. More dps.

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Old 03/27/11, 5:58 PM   #239
RareBeast
Von Kaiser
 
Tauren Druid
 
Jubei'Thos
I have always been able to shred during fued, even when standing right in front of him stacked on the tanks. Doesn't work during the red phases on Maloriak though.

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Old 04/04/11, 7:22 PM   #240
Garfiëld
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Tauren Druid
 
Area 52
Originally Posted by Leafkiller View Post
Have the raid change the position that Chim is tanked in. You should be on his backside during feuds. More dps.
I am not able to shred during feuds? Right when feud starts my shred won't work (even if I am behind him). Maybe I am doing something wrong, but if I am i do not understand what.

I am wondering what the expected values of crit/haste will be in the future will haste ever makes its way past crit for importance? I have seen people posting stat values with haste/crit at the same value. I know they are close at the moment, however I was just wondering if it changed at some point. Lastly I would like to ask what are the major feral blogs or other more active discussion threads that I can check out for more recent information.

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