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05/15/11, 7:11 AM
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#316
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Don Flamenco
Tauren Druid
Runetotem (EU)
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Originally Posted by Corren
If the glyph of FB stay a prime glyph, it is obvious that the impact in pve will be inexistent [...]
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It's a major glyph live and on the PTR. As was said earlier, it's competing with glyphs like faerie fire and thorns.
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05/16/11, 8:50 AM
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#317
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Great Tiger
Duilliath
Night Elf Druid
No WoW Account (EU)
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Originally Posted by Corren
If the glyph of FB stay a prime glyph, it is obvious that the impact in pve will be inexistent, since we have much more efficient glyphs to use. Moreover, if survivability is a problem, for whatever reason during a random boss, it will be much more efficient to use an instant HT, which can crit for almost 28k. I agree that the glyph doesn't prevent the use of HT after having used FB, but we don't really need the extra heal, do you really have to demorph often to self heal ?
This glyph, to me, is much more of a pvp glyph.
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If anything, it's a PvE glyph. PvP has a number of Glyphs to fill the slot with, none of which are remotely interesting for PvE. Glyph of Pounce does nothing in PvE, same as Glyph of Entangling Roots.
PvE has all of two decent Cat glyphs. After that you get 'crap' like Maul or Thorns which will generally have zero impact for PvE kitties.
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Ignorance can be solved with a book. Stupidity requires a shotgun and a shovel.
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06/12/11, 4:40 AM
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#318
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Glass Joe
Tauren Druid
Conseil des Ombres (EU)
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Originally Posted by ZeroEdge
Shred damage has been increased to 520% weapon damage, up from 450%, and bonus damage has been lowered to 302.
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It's now 540% weapon damage. 520% was the previous PTR value.
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06/12/11, 12:21 PM
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#319
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by ZeroEdge
Rake initial damage on hit now deals the same damage as each periodic tick (and is treated the same for all combat calculations). Periodic damage now gains 14.7% of attack power per tick, up from 12.6%, and base damage per tick has been lowered from 557 to 56. There is a known issue with Rake’s tooltip being incorrect from this change will be corrected in a future patch.
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So if I'm understanding this correctly, which I'm probably not. Our rake ticks are really going to rely soley on our AP now? Because the nerf to the base damage is really huge. Unless it was a typo.
Last edited by Moople : 06/12/11 at 12:28 PM.
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06/13/11, 10:45 AM
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#320
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Alonsus (EU)
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With the buffs to feral direct damage, how will this affect the secondary stat weights for feral.
With the original incarnation (due to bleed nerf) haste became equal to crit for feral. Would haste become the second best secondary stat (cant remember the exact source but somewhere said it becomes out best, which considering the difference between mastery and haste now i cant imagine it will).
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06/13/11, 10:55 AM
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#321
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Don Flamenco
Tauren Druid
Kel'Thuzad (EU)
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Some say that Mastery will become our worst secondary stat, however I'm not really convinced by that yet.
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Tender Puregrove: It's those little victores that keep me going. We'll save this forest one squirrel at a time.
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06/13/11, 12:26 PM
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#322
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Cookies!
Finala
Night Elf Druid
No WoW Account
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Using the latest SimC and comparing this profile, which is wearing what's considered BIS T11, here are the results:
| Profile | DPS | Str | Agi | AP | Exp | Hit | Crit | Haste | Mastery | Wdps | | Druid_Feral_T11_372 | 25016 | 2.3914 | 3.1334 | 1.1267 | 1.0188 | 1.0367 | 1.0310 | 1.0690 | 1.2306 | 4.8431 | | Druid_Feral_T11_372_PTR | 27191 | 1.3601 | 3.6147 | 1.3176 | 1.1586 | 1.1221 | 1.1108 | 1.2195 | 1.2785 | 5.6167 |
Agility continues to dominate as the prominent stat then it's Mastery > Haste > Exp = Hit = Crit. Also we see a decent increase in DPS. Both hit and expertise were calculated by adding more to the profile, since it's not currently hit or expertise capped.
The increase in stats and the new set bonuses may change these values, possibly increasing hit and expertise's value to capitalize on the extended berserk time, but someone would have to create a profile first to test that. SimC does have support for the new set bonuses, but you have to be simulating as the PTR to activate them.
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SimulationCraft 410-12 for World of Warcraft 4.2.0 PTR (build level 14265)
Simulating... ( iterations=20000, max_time=450, vary_combat_length=0.20, optimal_raid=1, fight_style=Patchwerk )
DPS Ranking:
52189 100.0% Raid
27191 52.1% Druid_Feral_T11_372_PTR
25016 47.9% Druid_Feral_T11_372
Player: Druid_Feral_T11_372 worgen druid feral 85
DPS: 25015.5 Error=7.3/0.0% Range=2030/8.1% Convergence=70.8% DPR=1613.3 RPS-Out=15.5 RPS-In=15.3 Resource=(energy) Waiting=47.6 ApM=34.3
Origin: chardev 8 - WoW Cataclysm
Talents: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Core Stats: strength=701|119(20) agility=7051|5457(5366) stamina=7572|5953(5847) intellect=201|192(20) spirit=192|192(20) mastery=19.98|19.98(2148) health=145211|122615 mana=24573|24400
Spell Stats: power=210|182(0) hit=4.26%|4.26%(436) crit=20.56%|15.54%(2222) penetration=0|0(0) haste=9.17%|3.97%(508) mp5=931|931(0)
Attack Stats power=24067|829(190) hit=3.63%|3.63%(436) crit=51.57%|37.66%(2222) expertise=0.00|0.00(0) haste=3.97%|3.97%(508)
Defense Stats: armor=14965|10889(10889) miss=0.00%|0.00% dodge=33.65%|24.31%(0) parry=0.00%|0.00%(0) block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=0.00%|0.00%
Glyphs: rip/shred/tigers_fury
Priorities:
flask,type=winds/food,type=seafood_magnifique_feast/mark_of_the_wild/cat_form
snapshot_stats/tolvir_potion,if=!in_combat/feral_charge_cat,if=!in_combat
auto_attack/skull_bash_cat/tigers_fury,if=energy<=26
tolvir_potion,if=buff.bloodlust.react|target.time_to_die<=40
mangle_cat,if=set_bonus.tier11_4pc_melee&(buff.t11_4pc_melee.stack<3|buff.t11_4pc_mel ee.remains<3)
faerie_fire_feral,if=debuff.faerie_fire.stack<3|!(debuff.sunder_armor.up|debuff.expos e_armor.up)
mangle_cat,if=debuff.mangle.remains<=2&(!debuff.mangle.up|debuff.mangle.remains>=0.0)
ravage,if=buff.stampede_cat.up&buff.stampede_cat.remains<=1
berserk,if=time_to_max_energy>=2.0&!buff.tigers_fury.up&cooldown.tigers_fury.remains> 15
ferocious_bite,if=buff.combo_points.stack>=1&dot.rip.ticking&dot.rip.remains<=1&targe t.health_pct<=25
ferocious_bite,if=buff.combo_points.stack>=5&dot.rip.ticking&target.health_pct<=25
rip,if=buff.combo_points.stack>=5&target.time_to_die>=6&dot.rip.remains<2.0&(buff.ber serk.up|dot.rip.remains<=cooldown.tigers_fury.remains)
rake,if=target.time_to_die>=8.5&buff.tigers_fury.up&dot.rake.remains<9.0&(!dot.rake.t icking|dot.rake.multiplier<multiplier)
rake,if=target.time_to_die>=dot.rake.remains&dot.rake.remains<3.0&(buff.berserk.up|en ergy>=71|(cooldown.tigers_fury.remains+0.8)>=dot.rake.remains)
shred,if=buff.omen_of_clarity.react
savage_roar,if=buff.combo_points.stack>=1&buff.savage_roar.remains<=1
savage_roar,if=target.time_to_die>=9&buff.combo_points.stack>=5&dot.rip.ticking&dot.r ip.remains<=12&@(dot.rip.remains-buff.savage_roar.remains)<=3
ferocious_bite,if=(target.time_to_die<=4&buff.combo_points.stack>=5)|target.time_to_d ie<=1
ferocious_bite,if=buff.combo_points.stack>=5&dot.rip.remains>=14.0&buff.savage_roar.r emains>=10.0
shred,extend_rip=1,if=dot.rip.ticking&dot.rip.remains<=4&target.health_pct>25
ravage,if=buff.stampede_cat.up&!buff.omen_of_clarity.react&buff.tigers_fury.up
shred
Actions:
berserk Count= 2.8|195.68sec DPE= 0| 0% DPET= 0 DPR= 0.0 pDPS= 0 Miss=0.00%
cat_melee Count=545.4| 0.83sec DPE= 3981|19% DPET= 4818 DPR= 0.0 pDPS=4815 Miss=4.37% Hit=2924|1848|3643 Crit= 6053| 3806| 7504|49.5% Glance=2201|24.0% Dodge=6.5%
ferocious_bite Count= 9.9|47.71sec DPE= 32419| 3% DPET= 31810 DPR= 826.8 pDPS= 711 Miss=4.38% Hit=19745|2965|35880 Crit=41691| 6107|73912|67.5% Dodge=6.4%
fury_swipes Count= 51.5| 8.70sec DPE= 8322| 4% DPET= 0 DPR= 0.0 pDPS= 950 Miss=4.38% Hit=6110|5728|7528 Crit=12631|11800|15509|44.1% Dodge=6.5%
mangle_cat Count= 21.8|21.06sec DPE= 14425| 3% DPET= 14058 DPR= 444.9 pDPS= 696 Miss=4.37% Hit=10564|9610|12448 Crit=21793|19796|25642|44.6% Dodge=6.5%
rake Count= 33.4|13.50sec DPE= 67629|20% DPET= 65914 DPR=2252.3 pDPS=5013 Miss=4.37% Hit=1885|1778|2267 Crit= 3900| 3663| 4670|44.1% Dodge=6.5% TickCount=146 MissTick=0.0% Tick=9735|9157|12018 CritTick=20146|18864|24756|49.5% UpTime=96.4%
ravage Count= 1.0| 0.00sec DPE= 33581| 0% DPET= 33359 DPR= 0.0 pDPS= 74 Miss=4.33% Hit=23088|20097|23112 Crit=47564|41400|47610|53.0% Dodge=6.4%
rip Count= 19.8|22.61sec DPE=146941|26% DPET=143312 DPR=5493.4 pDPS=6437 Miss=4.38% Dodge=6.5% TickCount=200 MissTick=0.0% Tick=9487|8719|11527 CritTick=19621|17962|23746|49.9% UpTime=88.5%
savage_roar Count= 14.0|32.85sec DPE= 0| 0% DPET= 0 DPR= 0.0 pDPS= 0 Miss=0.00%
shred Count=131.6| 3.37sec DPE= 21652|25% DPET= 21143 DPR= 708.6 pDPS=6318 Miss=4.37% Hit=15896|15021|19088 Crit=32856|30943|39321|44.1% Dodge=6.5%
tigers_fury Count= 16.5|27.97sec DPE= 0| 0% DPET= 0 DPR= 0.0 pDPS= 0 Miss=0.00%
Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_might_regen/cat_form/fortitude
Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment/t11_4pc_melee
Dynamic Buffs:
berserk : start=2.8 refresh=0.0 interval=195.7 trigger=195.7 uptime= 9%
bloodlust : start=1.0 refresh=0.0 interval= 0.0 trigger=0.0 uptime= 9% benefit=10%
combo_points : start=40.9 refresh=139.2 interval= 11.2 trigger=2.5 uptime=78% benefit=76%
essence_of_the_cyclone : start=8.5 refresh=0.0 interval= 55.9 trigger=55.9 uptime=19%
omen_of_clarity : start=28.3 refresh=0.3 interval= 15.4 trigger=15.3 uptime= 3% benefit= 4%
prestors_talisman_of_machination : start=6.0 refresh=0.0 interval= 81.2 trigger=81.2 uptime=20%
primal_madness_cat : start=19.3 refresh=0.0 interval= 23.8 trigger=23.8 uptime=31%
savage_roar : start=5.9 refresh=8.1 interval= 79.5 trigger=32.9 uptime=97% benefit=97%
stampede_cat : start=1.0 refresh=0.0 interval= 0.0 trigger=0.0 uptime= 1% benefit= 0%
tigers_fury : start=16.5 refresh=0.0 interval= 28.0 trigger=28.0 uptime=22% benefit=25%
tolvir_potion : start=2.0 refresh=0.0 interval=343.5 trigger=343.5 uptime=10%
Up-Times:
0.0% : energy_cap
Procs:
70.3 | 8.33sec : combo_points_wasted
51.5 | 8.69sec : fury_swipes
83.1 | 5.42sec : primal_fury
Gains:
567.4 : energy_refund
4966.8 : energy_regen
1082.8 : omen_of_clarity
990.6 : tigers_fury
Scale Factors:
Weights : Str=2.3914(0.0353) Agi=3.1334(0.0352) AP=1.1267(0.0348) Exp=1.0188(0.0519) Hit=1.0367(0.0348) Crit=1.0310(0.0349) Haste=1.0690(0.0348) Mastery=1.2306(0.0349) Wdps=4.8431(0.1054)
Wowhead :
Player: Druid_Feral_T11_372_PTR worgen druid feral 85
DPS: 27191.3 Error=8.2/0.0% Range=2383/8.8% Convergence=70.3% DPR=1753.7 RPS-Out=15.5 RPS-In=15.3 Resource=(energy) Waiting=47.1 ApM=34.6
Origin: chardev 8 - WoW Cataclysm
Talents: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Core Stats: strength=701|119(20) agility=7051|5457(5366) stamina=7698|6073(5847) intellect=191|182(20) spirit=192|192(20) mastery=19.98|19.98(2148) health=146975|124295 mana=24400|24245
Spell Stats: power=199|172(0) hit=4.26%|4.26%(436) crit=20.54%|15.53%(2222) penetration=0|0(0) haste=9.17%|3.97%(508) mp5=931|931(0)
Attack Stats power=23020|693(190) hit=3.63%|3.63%(436) crit=51.57%|37.66%(2222) expertise=0.00|0.00(0) haste=3.97%|3.97%(508)
Defense Stats: armor=14965|10889(10889) miss=0.00%|0.00% dodge=33.65%|24.31%(0) parry=0.00%|0.00%(0) block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=0.00%|0.00%
Glyphs: rip/shred/tigers_fury
Priorities:
flask,type=winds/food,type=seafood_magnifique_feast/mark_of_the_wild/cat_form
snapshot_stats/tolvir_potion,if=!in_combat/feral_charge_cat,if=!in_combat
auto_attack/skull_bash_cat/tigers_fury,if=energy<=26
tolvir_potion,if=buff.bloodlust.react|target.time_to_die<=40
mangle_cat,if=set_bonus.tier11_4pc_melee&(buff.t11_4pc_melee.stack<3|buff.t11_4pc_mel ee.remains<3)
faerie_fire_feral,if=debuff.faerie_fire.stack<3|!(debuff.sunder_armor.up|debuff.expos e_armor.up)
mangle_cat,if=debuff.mangle.remains<=2&(!debuff.mangle.up|debuff.mangle.remains>=0.0)
ravage,if=buff.stampede_cat.up&buff.stampede_cat.remains<=1
berserk,if=time_to_max_energy>=2.0&!buff.tigers_fury.up&cooldown.tigers_fury.remains> 15
ferocious_bite,if=buff.combo_points.stack>=1&dot.rip.ticking&dot.rip.remains<=1&targe t.health_pct<=25
ferocious_bite,if=buff.combo_points.stack>=5&dot.rip.ticking&target.health_pct<=25
rip,if=buff.combo_points.stack>=5&target.time_to_die>=6&dot.rip.remains<2.0&(buff.ber serk.up|dot.rip.remains<=cooldown.tigers_fury.remains)
rake,if=target.time_to_die>=8.5&buff.tigers_fury.up&dot.rake.remains<9.0&(!dot.rake.t icking|dot.rake.multiplier<multiplier)
rake,if=target.time_to_die>=dot.rake.remains&dot.rake.remains<3.0&(buff.berserk.up|en ergy>=71|(cooldown.tigers_fury.remains+0.8)>=dot.rake.remains)
shred,if=buff.omen_of_clarity.react
savage_roar,if=buff.combo_points.stack>=1&buff.savage_roar.remains<=1
savage_roar,if=target.time_to_die>=9&buff.combo_points.stack>=5&dot.rip.ticking&dot.r ip.remains<=12&@(dot.rip.remains-buff.savage_roar.remains)<=3
ferocious_bite,if=(target.time_to_die<=4&buff.combo_points.stack>=5)|target.time_to_d ie<=1
ferocious_bite,if=buff.combo_points.stack>=5&dot.rip.remains>=14.0&buff.savage_roar.r emains>=10.0
shred,extend_rip=1,if=dot.rip.ticking&dot.rip.remains<=4&target.health_pct>25
ravage,if=buff.stampede_cat.up&!buff.omen_of_clarity.react&buff.tigers_fury.up
shred
Actions:
berserk Count= 2.8|195.64sec DPE= 0| 0% DPET= 0 DPR= 0.0 pDPS= 0 Miss=0.00%
cat_melee Count=545.4| 0.83sec DPE= 4603|20% DPET= 5572 DPR= 0.0 pDPS=5569 Miss=4.37% Hit=3384|1791|4250 Crit= 7001| 3689| 8754|49.4% Glance=2546|24.0% Dodge=6.5%
ferocious_bite Count= 11.7|40.05sec DPE= 31221| 3% DPET= 30632 DPR= 952.9 pDPS= 810 Miss=4.29% Hit=19088|2971|35564 Crit=40123| 6033|73262|67.5% Dodge=6.5%
fury_swipes Count= 51.5| 8.69sec DPE= 8076| 3% DPET= 0 DPR= 0.0 pDPS= 923 Miss=4.36% Hit=5922|5551|7319 Crit=12246|11436|15077|44.2% Dodge=6.5%
mangle_cat Count= 21.8|21.01sec DPE= 16411| 3% DPET= 15995 DPR= 506.7 pDPS= 795 Miss=4.39% Hit=12024|10914|14180 Crit=24797|22483|29210|44.6% Dodge=6.5%
rake Count= 33.4|13.50sec DPE= 74443|20% DPET= 72565 DPR=2485.3 pDPS=5522 Miss=4.41% Hit=8551|8011|10789 Crit=17711|16503|22225|44.0% Dodge=6.5% TickCount=146 MissTick=0.0% Tick=9396|8812|11868 CritTick=19455|18153|24448|49.5% UpTime=96.3%
ravage Count= 1.0| 0.00sec DPE= 37774| 0% DPET= 37527 DPR= 0.0 pDPS= 84 Miss=4.42% Hit=25829|22480|25852 Crit=53202|46308|53254|53.7% Dodge=6.2%
rip Count= 19.5|22.87sec DPE=142331|23% DPET=138859 DPR=5340.1 pDPS=6160 Miss=4.37% Dodge=6.5% TickCount=197 MissTick=0.0% Tick=9175|8438|11194 CritTick=18975|17382|23059|49.9% UpTime=87.6%
savage_roar Count= 14.1|32.83sec DPE= 0| 0% DPET= 0 DPR= 0.0 pDPS= 0 Miss=0.00%
shred Count=132.1| 3.36sec DPE= 25028|27% DPET= 24443 DPR= 819.8 pDPS=7330 Miss=4.37% Hit=18362|17343|22121 Crit=37960|35727|45568|44.2% Dodge=6.5%
tigers_fury Count= 16.5|27.97sec DPE= 0| 0% DPET= 0 DPR= 0.0 pDPS= 0 Miss=0.00%
Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_might_regen/cat_form/fortitude
Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
Dynamic Buffs:
berserk : start=2.8 refresh=0.0 interval=195.6 trigger=195.6 uptime= 9%
bloodlust : start=1.0 refresh=0.0 interval= 0.0 trigger=0.0 uptime= 9% benefit=10%
combo_points : start=42.3 refresh=141.5 interval= 10.8 trigger=2.5 uptime=78% benefit=75%
essence_of_the_cyclone : start=8.5 refresh=0.0 interval= 56.0 trigger=56.0 uptime=19%
omen_of_clarity : start=28.2 refresh=0.3 interval= 15.4 trigger=15.3 uptime= 3% benefit= 4%
prestors_talisman_of_machination : start=6.0 refresh=0.0 interval= 81.2 trigger=81.2 uptime=20%
primal_madness_cat : start=19.3 refresh=0.0 interval= 23.8 trigger=23.8 uptime=31%
savage_roar : start=6.4 refresh=7.7 interval= 75.9 trigger=32.8 uptime=97% benefit=97%
stampede_cat : start=1.0 refresh=0.0 interval= 0.0 trigger=0.0 uptime= 1% benefit= 0%
t11_4pc_melee : start=1.5 refresh=18.0 interval=194.9 trigger=23.7 uptime=100%
tigers_fury : start=16.5 refresh=0.0 interval= 28.0 trigger=28.0 uptime=22% benefit=25%
tolvir_potion : start=2.0 refresh=0.0 interval=343.5 trigger=343.5 uptime=10%
Up-Times:
0.0% : energy_cap
Procs:
67.4 | 8.61sec : combo_points_wasted
51.5 | 8.68sec : fury_swipes
83.4 | 5.40sec : primal_fury
Gains:
565.2 : energy_refund
4966.8 : energy_regen
1072.6 : omen_of_clarity
991.1 : tigers_fury
Scale Factors:
Weights : Str=1.3601(0.0386) Agi=3.6147(0.0388) AP=1.3176(0.0386) Exp=1.1586(0.0573) Hit=1.1221(0.0385) Crit=1.1108(0.0385) Haste=1.2195(0.0384) Mastery=1.2785(0.0384) Wdps=5.6167(0.1163)
Wowhead :
*** Targets ***
Target: Fluffy_Pillow humanoid enemy Unknown 88
DPS: 0.0 Error=0.0/0.0% Range=0/0.0% Convergence=0.0% DPR=0.0 RPS-Out=52172.8 RPS-In=0.0 Resource=(health) Waiting=100.0 ApM=0.0
Core Stats: strength=0|0(0) agility=0|0(0) stamina=0|0(0) intellect=0|0(0) spirit=0|0(0) mastery=8.00|8.00(0) health=0|28177360 mana=0|0
Spell Stats: power=0|0(0) hit=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=0.00%|0.00%(0) penetration=0|0(0) haste=0.00%|0.00%(0) mp5=0|0(0)
Attack Stats power=0|0(0) hit=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=5.00%|5.00%(0) expertise=0.00|0.00(0) haste=0.00%|0.00%(0)
Defense Stats: armor=10540|11977(0) miss=0.00%|0.00% dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0) parry=0.00%|0.00%(0) block=5.00%|5.00%(0) crit=0.00%|0.00%
Priorities:
snapshot_stats
Actions:
Constant Buffs: bleeding/blood_frenzy_bleed/blood_frenzy_physical/corrosive_spit/critical_mass/curse_of_elements
Constant Buffs: demoralizing_roar/demoralizing_screech/demoralizing_shout/earth_and_moon/ebon_plague/expose_armor
Constant Buffs: faerie_fire/hemorrhage/hunters_mark/infected_wounds/judgements_of_the_just/lightning_breath/mangle
Constant Buffs: master_poisoner/poisoned/ravage/replenishment/savage_combat/scarlet_fever/shadow_and_flame/sunder_armor
Constant Buffs: tailspin/tear_armor/tendon_rip/thunder_clap/vindication
Dynamic Buffs:
Scale Factors:
Weights :
Wowhead :
Auras:
Constant: abominations_might/arcane_tactics/battle_shout/communion/demonic_Pact/devotion_aura/elemental_oath
Constant: fel_intelligence/ferocious_inspiration/flametongue_totem/honor_among_thieves/horn_of_winter/hunting_party
Constant: improved_icy_talons/leader_of_the_pack/mana_spring_totem/moonkin/qiraji_fortitude/rampage/roar_of_courage
Constant: strength_of_earth/trueshot/unleashed_rage/windfury_totem/wrath_of_air
Dynamic:
Waiting:
47.6% : Druid_Feral_T11_372
47.1% : Druid_Feral_T11_372_PTR
Baseline Performance:
TotalEvents = 239423036
MaxEventQueue = 35
TargetHealth = 28177360
SimSeconds = 9020769
CpuSeconds = 181.562
SpeedUp = 49684
RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=0.999565 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000104
Scale Factors:
Druid_Feral_T11_372 Str=2.3914(0.0353) Agi=3.1334(0.0352) AP=1.1267(0.0348) Exp=1.0188(0.0519) Hit=1.0367(0.0348) Crit=1.0310(0.0349) Haste=1.0690(0.0348) Mastery=1.2306(0.0349) Wdps=4.8431(0.1054)
Druid_Feral_T11_372_PTR Str=1.3601(0.0386) Agi=3.6147(0.0388) AP=1.3176(0.0386) Exp=1.1586(0.0573) Hit=1.1221(0.0385) Crit=1.1108(0.0385) Haste=1.2195(0.0384) Mastery=1.2785(0.0384) Wdps=5.6167(0.1163)
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06/14/11, 2:46 AM
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#323
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Von Kaiser
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Leg offpiece from the above stat weights seems to be the go.
You want shoulder tier, everything else offpiece is better.
Head offset = 19.98dps gain,
shoulder offset = 50.99dps loss
chest offset = 49.89 dps gain,
glove offset = 44.35 dps gain,
leg offset = 65.84 dps gain
I would recommend getting chest first, hope for leg/glove drops from BH, then bid on shoulders first, head second with DKP.
Overall though, 4set is clearly worth at least the 100 dps loss from the 2 additional pieces, and with the tiny dps spread between offpieces it doesnt really matter which one you pick.
Haste should appreciate in value this tier so this info may be inaccurate. I'll find out stat weights soon enough. Spreadsheet with gear available soon.
Edit: mew's stat value page doesn't work for 4.2 ptr build apparently 
Last edited by Robosaurus : 06/20/11 at 9:31 PM.
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DoC for life. Because Wrath spam is too hard.
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06/14/11, 6:45 PM
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#324
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Mr. Sandman
Night Elf Druid
Argent Dawn (EU)
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How is Mew handling the 4 piece? There are a few issues surrounding it now the glyph is 10 seconds taking it to 25 seconds base. Before we'd be timing TF going into Berserk. With it being 25 seconds base and 3 extensions being easy during that time, you're looking at 31 second duration already. So now TF is off CD but cannot be used due to Berserk, and you've got Rake out as well. Are we seeing the calcuations of cancelling it at 30 to TF rake off the bat? At this point you'll be running on fumes and just dropping a Shred every 2 secs, I'm not so sure it's going to be worth extending it beyond the TF cooldown, at least from the napkin math I've done.
I've also played around with not using Glyph of Berserk but with the buff everything points to a DPS gain as you can't extend Berserk far enough with the 4 piece at 15 seconds to make up for the buff the glyph got.
Edit: for numbers I'm seeing about a 270 dps gain on current stat values for cancelling Berserk as TF comes off CD which will only grow with higher value shreds in T12 gear, so I guess that does outstrip the non-set pieces.
What I've not been able to work out is cancelling versus delaying TF.
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06/14/11, 10:23 PM
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#325
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Von Kaiser
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You can use maim to extend berserk (possibly a good idea while you are still high on energy), since FB always consumes extra energy now
Shred-extend bug seems to be fixed up, as well as the 0cp savage roar glitch.
Last edited by Robosaurus : 06/20/11 at 9:31 PM.
Reason: grammar
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DoC for life. Because Wrath spam is too hard.
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06/14/11, 10:29 PM
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#326
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Von Kaiser
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Are those SimC values with the buff to Savage Roar as well? With the increase to our direct damage and buff to our white hits, seems like haste, hit and exp would go up and value and decrease crit and mastery at least some.
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06/15/11, 3:26 AM
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#327
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Piston Honda
Pandaren Monk
The Maelstrom (EU)
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Originally Posted by Robosaurus
Leg offpiece from the above stat weights seems to be the go.
You want shoulder tier, everything else offpiece is better.
Head offset = 19.98dps gain,
shoulder offset = 50.99dps loss
chest offset = 49.89 dps gain,
glove offset = 44.35 dps gain,
leg offset = 65.84 dps gain
I would recommend getting chest first, hope for leg/glove drops from BH, then bid on shoulders first, head second with DKP.
Overall though, 4set is clearly worth at least the 100 dps loss from the 2 additional pieces, and with the tiny dps spread between offpieces it doesnt really matter which one you pick.
Haste should appreciate in value this tier so this info may be inaccurate. I'll find out stat weights soon enough. Spreadsheet with gear available soon.
Edit: mew's stat value page doesn't work for 4.2 ptr build apparently 
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Is it just me or do the T12 legs seem underbudget? Comparing to the offset legs from beth'tilac.
284 mastery vs 277, and 212 haste instead of 199 hit. as well as a red socket instead of a yellow, granting another 20 haste.
same goes for the heroic version: 320 mastery vs 316, and 244 haste instead of 226 hit.
The rogue T12 legs seem to have about the same amount of stats as the beth'tilac legs.
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06/15/11, 9:31 AM
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#328
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Alonsus (EU)
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Originally Posted by Zimeron
| Profile | DPS | Str | Agi | AP | Exp | Hit | Crit | Haste | Mastery | Wdps | | Druid_Feral_T11_372 | 25016 | 2.3914 | 3.1334 | 1.1267 | 1.0188 | 1.0367 | 1.0310 | 1.0690 | 1.2306 | 4.8431 | | Druid_Feral_T11_372_PTR | 27191 | 1.3601 | 3.6147 | 1.3176 | 1.1586 | 1.1221 | 1.1108 | 1.2195 | 1.2785 | 5.6167 |
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Using these values have you noticed any dps difference between going Mastery>Haste>Crit, without worrying about hit/exp
and going Hit/expertise cap then focusing on haste?
N.B.
Also just a thought, probably completely wrong but considering how much our weapon damage contributes to our damage, an upgrade in weapon will allow for a noticeable increase to our sources of Direct damage, We will end up getting two jumps in DPS, getting the fireland weapon then the HC version, then every other upgrade increases our damage just a little bit. Wouldn't reducing weapon damage contribution and buffing other parts of our moves work better, Very few melee classes have such high weapon damage % on moves, and have no difficulty in scaling. It just struck my mind that we seem to have this problem alot, the % weapon damage increases, we are ok for a bit then fall behind again.
Last edited by pychodruid : 06/15/11 at 12:09 PM.
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06/15/11, 12:37 PM
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#329
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Cookies!
Finala
Night Elf Druid
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by Husyor
Are those SimC values with the buff to Savage Roar as well? With the increase to our direct damage and buff to our white hits, seems like haste, hit and exp would go up and value and decrease crit and mastery at least some.
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The results include the buff to Savage Roar. Hit, Haste, and Expertise all did increase, as did Crit, as expected, since Crit affects melee swings. Mastery is still worth the most for this particular profile, but that could change once you're wearing T12 as losing T11 2pc will decrease the value of Mastery. You can create a profile and use the sim to do further testing to see how the stat weights shift with our changes in gear, if they do at all.
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