[Feral-Cat] Cataclysm Release - Page 3

Milou · 12/18/10, 8:39 PM

Originally Posted by Ristaccia

I'm sitting at ~2.5% hit and 4 expertise and haven't missed a skull bash since Cataclysm hit. I would say that it's incredibly safe to assume that while Maim can be missed/dodged/parried, Skull Bash ignores hit cap.

That is incorrect, I had a skull bash (bear) miss on Halfus the other night. I am now keeping hit capped for raiding because of this.

eXcel905 · 12/20/10, 2:55 AM

Anyone got the math on Rawr vs Mew? When I plug in the values into Rawr I get haste coming on top of crit raid buffed, however Mew is giving me crit over haste in raid buffs. Anyone have the numbers crunched or a reason as to why one is coming out different than the other?

shramp · 12/20/10, 3:04 AM

Originally Posted by Milou

That is incorrect, I had a skull bash (bear) miss on Halfus the other night. I am now keeping hit capped for raiding because of this.

I have a log that clearly shows: even if Skull Bash (Cat) misses, it still interrupts the cast. I've checked that there was no other iterrupt. Log is in russian so if you don't mind I will translate:

[22:27:12.694] Arcanotron begins to cast Arcane Annihilator
[22:27:13.574] Rei casts Skull Bash on Arcanotron
[22:27:13.574] Rei Skull Bash Arcanotron Miss
[22:27:16.660] Arcanotron's Skull Bash fades
[22:27:19.896] Arcanotron begins to cast Arcane Annihilator

Here is the log and query if somebody could point me to cast that interrupted it and prove me wrong.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
[{"eventTypes": [7]}, {"spellNames": ["Волшебный уничтожитель"]}, {"spellNames": ["Лобовая атака"]}]

Milou · 12/20/10, 1:04 PM

Looked over logs again and I see that you're right Shramp. I don't have the actual log file any more but I pulled this segment from world of logs. One curious part is when my skull bash was parried the skull bash appears to fire twice.

[21:34:10.199] Ourse casts Skull Bash on Halfus Wyrmbreaker
[21:34:10.268] Halfus Wyrmbreaker afflicted by Skull Bash from Ourse
[21:34:20.230] Halfus Wyrmbreaker's Skull Bash fades
[21:34:25.238] Ourse casts Skull Bash on Halfus Wyrmbreaker
[21:34:25.370] Ourse casts Skull Bash on Halfus Wyrmbreaker
[21:34:25.370] Ourse Skull Bash Halfus Wyrmbreaker Parry
[21:34:25.438] Halfus Wyrmbreaker afflicted by Skull Bash from Ourse
[21:34:35.468] Halfus Wyrmbreaker's Skull Bash fades

Spectras · 12/20/10, 1:36 PM

Mastery: Increases the damage done by your bleed abilities by X%
Shred: Effects which increase Bleed damage also increase Shred damage

Has anyone done any testing to confirm/deny if Shred is increased by mastery? So far in this post we have 1 person saying yes and 1 person saying no. I think this is too important to overlook, should mastery actually increase it.

TheJinchuuriki · 12/20/10, 1:52 PM

Originally posted by Spectras
Has anyone done any testing to confirm/deny if Shred is increased by mastery? So far in this post we have 1 person saying yes and 1 person saying no. I think this is too important to overlook, should mastery actually increase it.

While I am also curious it seems mastery is already the top stat so this research doesn't have much relevance to our current stat weights.

eXcel905 · 12/20/10, 2:18 PM

Originally Posted by Spectras

Mastery: Increases the damage done by your bleed abilities by X%
Shred: Effects which increase Bleed damage also increase Shred damage

Has anyone done any testing to confirm/deny if Shred is increased by mastery? So far in this post we have 1 person saying yes and 1 person saying no. I think this is too important to overlook, should mastery actually increase it.

After testing this quickly, and in a Simple way it seems that mastery DOES NOT affect shred damage. I went completly naked and tested shred damage (with mangle up and without), used an alchemy trinket, tested it again, used another +mastery trinket and tested once again all resulted in the same amount of damage with 0 deviation from other tests.

dundermuffin · 12/20/10, 6:16 PM

Originally Posted by Milou

Looked over logs again and I see that you're right Shramp. I don't have the actual log file any more but I pulled this segment from world of logs. One curious part is when my skull bash was parried the skull bash appears to fire twice.

[21:34:10.199] Ourse casts Skull Bash on Halfus Wyrmbreaker
[21:34:10.268] Halfus Wyrmbreaker afflicted by Skull Bash from Ourse
[21:34:20.230] Halfus Wyrmbreaker's Skull Bash fades
[21:34:25.238] Ourse casts Skull Bash on Halfus Wyrmbreaker
[21:34:25.370] Ourse casts Skull Bash on Halfus Wyrmbreaker
[21:34:25.370] Ourse Skull Bash Halfus Wyrmbreaker Parry
[21:34:25.438] Halfus Wyrmbreaker afflicted by Skull Bash from Ourse
[21:34:35.468] Halfus Wyrmbreaker's Skull Bash fades

Skull bash is a 2 part spell; the interrupt part does not miss, ever. The debuff part (+10% mana cost) is based on hit, and thus can miss.

Milou · 12/20/10, 6:21 PM

That's what I figured, but it is interesting that the spell only shows up as two separate spells when it fails to hit.

tangedyn · 12/20/10, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by eXcel905

Anyone got the math on Rawr vs Mew? When I plug in the values into Rawr I get haste coming on top of crit raid buffed, however Mew is giving me crit over haste in raid buffs. Anyone have the numbers crunched or a reason as to why one is coming out different than the other?

Mew's maths and model has been peer-reviewed between Toskk, Yawning and myself. The Formulation and Simulation models are used to check against each other for consistency.

I have no idea about what's going on in Rawr.Cat's model. IIRC it back in WOTLK it was ported over from Toskk's model, but Toskk is definitely not maintaining Rawr.Cat, so someone else must have taken over maintenance of the Rawr.Cat model.

Docrev · 12/21/10, 3:48 AM

If you run the online version, it states at the bottom that Rawr.Cat is maintained by Astrylian.

tangedyn · 12/21/10, 8:27 AM

So you'll probably have to ask Astrylian about how accurate his Rawr.Cat model is.

Sylvaneart · 12/21/10, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by dundermuffin

Skull bash is a 2 part spell; the interrupt part does not miss, ever. The debuff part (+10% mana cost) is based on hit, and thus can miss.

This is great news since i have hit capped for this fight as a kitty. But what are you basing that on? A blue post, research? Before I take a chance of screwing over my raid group I'd like to see where this comes from.

Slott · 12/21/10, 2:17 PM

Originally Posted by Sylvaneart

This is great news since i have hit capped for this fight as a kitty. But what are you basing that on? A blue post, research? Before I take a chance of screwing over my raid group I'd like to see where this comes from.

I tested this out with a friend dueling in PVP yesterday, and can confirm his findings. Skull bash still interrupted on a miss, and did not apply the debuff (10% increase) at all.

baldeagle · 12/23/10, 12:17 AM

I noticed Unheeded Warning - Item - World of Warcraft is conspicuously absent from the list of trinkets suggested by OP. Is there a reason it is not considered? I would think the +321 agility alone makes it worthy. Has anyone done any real world testing yet on this one?

Same question regarding the Darkmoon Card: Hurricane - Item - World of Warcraft. Before spending a lot of gold on the Darkmoon trinket, I would appreciate the input of any that have some testing results on either.