What are you upgrading your 2p T13 from? When I do my WrathCalcing I'm upgrading 4pc T12 heroic (391s) to 4pc T13 normal (397s). The extra stats are marginal, but it would be interesting to see if 2pc T12H + 2pc T13 would be better.

I just tested a couple of scenarios. My base gear for this is T12H helm, chest, gloves, legs and T13 resto shoulders (31678 DPS).

Helm + Shoulders to T13 boomkin: 31098 DPS (580 DPS loss)
Helm + Chest to T13 boomkin: 31151 DPS (527 DPS loss)
Helm + Gloves to T13 boomkin: 31231 DPS (447 DPS loss)
Helm + Legs to T13 boomkin: 31493 DPS (185 DPS loss)

Considering it wont be very attainable for most to get the heroic T12 hat from Ragnaros, all other sims with pieces except the helm will sim lower because of the hat being 378. Helm + Legs looks like the best option, as the legs are Haste/Mastery and gets rid of that yuck Spirit/Crit T12 legs. Resto Shoulders are also Spirit/Mastery, but much better than the Crit boomkin option.

All in all, it's not that big of a loss (185 DPS), so it's really up to the boomkin whether they want to have 2pc T12H and 2pc T13 or 4pc T12H.


You have to make sure with Glyph of Starsurge you're setting up WrathCalcs correctly. If you're using MF/IS/Wrath Glyphs, you have to set "Starfall: On Cooldown", otherwise WrathCalcs will report inflated figures. Only if you're sporting Glyph of Starsurge and 4pc T13 can you set "Starfall: During Lunar", as Starfall should be available for each Lunar eclipse at that point. Using my BiS setup with DI, DPS with IS/MF/Wrath and "Starfall: On Cooldown" DPS shows as 50336. Swapping IS for Starsurge, and setting "Starfall: During Lunar" DPS jumps up to 50584. Really, this isn't that much of an increase, but it's still an increase. In-game, the Starsurge setup may be a little bit lower due to bloodlust pushing us faster than the CD, and we may not be able to line it up exactly all the time. The Wrath glyph is a static 10% damage increase, and basically will always do the maximum it can.

Unfortunately, our 4pc T13 is lackluster, like you said, and it'll be very hard for us to stay competitive in the top rankings once everyone else has their 4pc. Hopefully Blizzard does rectify our 4pc, but I doubt it.

Yeah, was our first real night of attempts and I think we were overestimating the damage the meteor would do if he was close enough to still be in range of the tank - like I said, though, we'll probably just faceroll it with blue up from now on anyways.

I was using simulationcraft. I have it set to Starfall only during Lunar, but not with DI buff. I had 2P T12 HGlove, NHelm, and 3P T13 NChest, NShoulders, LFRLeggings. I upped it to T13 NGloves for 4P and it was a very marginal DPS loss (3 DPS). I swap in Glyph of SS and it's a large DPS loss (500 DPS).

I would like to hear some people's ideas on how to make Balance more competitive. We have pretty much static DPS, with no amazing DPS CDs (like Demo opener or Mage opener or Hunter opener) and we have no execute. Unless they literally want to buff our static damage so that we're competitive, we need some burst CDs or an execute (probably both given that all classes I just listed have both). When the original T13 was the double eclipse Energy, I think I suggested SS count as always Eclipsed but I don't know how much of a DPS increase that would have been.

To be perfectly honest, I don't think we will be seeing any CDs of that sort until MoP, and even then that's subject to change. As far as what we have to go on now, we've got Incarnation, 30 seconds of double eclipse and half the time out of eclipse, and Celestial Alignment, which may or may not be a DPS CD. Incarnation will definitely be saved for a Bloodlust, so we have something to pop there other than a pot, and Celestial Alignment could be used at the end of that Incarnation to continue a faux eclipse throughout the duration of Bloodlust. However, from what we can gauge on the tooltip of CA, it seems as if it's rather unfinished - we don't know if we'll get both Moonfire and Sunfire simultaneously, or whether it even benefits from Mastery, since the tooltip specifically states 25% extra damage (there's other concerns, I just woke up though). If this is the case, it's rather lackluster and may not be as useful as we would have hoped. Also have to remember we'll be getting Symbiosis, and there's a good chance it will be highly beneficial to us (as long as you have the right raid comp :p).

If your in a 10man guild dps doesn't exactly matter so you will not lose your raid spot at all.

im pulling 36-38k consistently on heroic ultraxion 25 can push more had some random logs at 40k +

Yes, I've created the bis list changing the pieces on the live import of my character and forgot to change the glyph >.<
that could be the cause, correcting it gives me 49295,89 DPS (BiS profile and not the 3101 breakpoint)
Is WC computing the real gain from using GoSS + 4t13 already ?

In my guild we follow the exact same order Green, Red, Blue, Yellow. On the last platform we ignore the blood, tank it inside the nozdormu bubble and when the phase 2 begins we get back all the aspect's buffs and one-shot the blood(because spell weaving is back).

You can double dot on H Morchok as well, as long as your group doesn't tank the two literally across the instance from each other (I've seen some vids like that). To be the best DPS at gimmick fights is not really something to be proud of, and dotting all the adds is best for your DPS but not necessarily the best to kill everything in a timely manner. H Morchok is the only exception because you have to kill both bosses and there is no DPS loss from padding your meters.

Faerra, that Ultraxion log is supremely impressive. Are there any tricks that you are focusing on as far as your ability to keep NG uptime as high as you have it?

I do not have DW, nor will I ever, and I don't raid with a lock so no DI either. I was able to get about 66% NG uptime this lockout and pulled 31.5k in ~386 ilvl. I focused more on NG and a lot less on dots, but still maintained about a 93% uptime for both IS and Mf/Snf.

Is it just he ability to run through cycles so much faster with DW/DI that is helping to accomplish your figures?

Just wanted to add:

I found to specing into Lunar Shower to be a nice DPS increase on Heroic Hagarra. (Ice Phase)

I soaked the first HoT together with our Feral tank using his 4pcT13 and my Moonkin Form + Barkskin + 6% spell damage reduction, otherwise I used a fairly conservative rotation so my DoTs wouldn't run out during HoT/Fading Light and obviously I tried to get as many casts off as possible before using the button.
Last time we did Baleroc I had ~42.5k DPS there so the fight mechanics of Ultraxion still costed me ~3k DPS.

Ultraxion is definitely the single fight where I'd bench a Moonkin in favor of almost any other DPS spec because only few specs have less DPS or less utility.

Got these results using my own profile (~390 iLevel, 4t12, DTR, DI, 780 int dummy trinket as second trinket) but those shouldn't change much for most trinkets; in case you want to have data for any specific gear setup that's vastly different from the one used, I can quickly run a simulation for that one as well.
Simulationcraft Results

Since I was mixing up the two DS trinkets in my initial post so I'm just going to edit that part out and leave the simulationcraft results as an answer. The list posted isn't necessarily a reply to the quoted post but a list for general usage.

As for Yor'sahj:
Just do your standard single target rotation, if you see a black ooze spawning and your raid is going to let it through, cast until your next solar eclipse and solar cleave until they're down. If you're going to let a blue ooze through without exploiting the mana void, make sure to DoT the mana void up while it's floating above Yor'Sahj when he's draining mana and do one of the following:
a) Innervate yourself after he stopped draining
b) Cast until one spell before Eclipse before he drains mana and enter Eclipse with the first spell after he finishes draining mana so you get back enough mana through Euphoria
c) Use a mana potion as last resort

Also make sure to drop down mushrooms while moving back to the boss in both cases, they save you GCDs when you could be DoTing the Forgotten Ones and you have a good chance to proc a clearcast at no mana cost when you've been drained.