Glyph of Innervate is also an option if you think you can manage yourself well enough to last through solar cleaving with just Glyph of Innervate mana. It is probably best used with option "b" you mentioned and along with the mana void trick. Other healers have a lot of mana options though so it'll vary on your healers.

I personally go with GoW, no certain reasoning, just didn't think to change it.

Don't think the forgotten ones are dead damage, your healers or dps can die if they don't die and you also have a purple ooze debuff, an explosion on an already low raid can kill them.


I just got the Heroic Insignia of the corrupted mind and I ran some simcrafts and it came out as a 500~ dps loss compared to the heroic necrotic focus...Is our simcraft correct because that doesn't seem right.

Does the simcraft sim the damage proc as still hitting the target you cast on or just the ones around it? Because as far as I've heard it hits the focal target as well.

You are thinking of Cunning of the Cruel. Insignia is the one with the monster haste proc.

I posted a list of correctly simulated trinkets a few posts above, you definitely didn't sim it properly when it shows you a DPS loss compared to even NF.

@Larrabee: Simcraft is only bad when you don't use it properly, it's way better than WrathCalcs when it comes to anything involving procs or rotations.

Edit: Even got some data on the procs and int values from Simcraft, going by my list (this isn't the one posted above):
NF: 1751 DPS from Int, 802 DPS from proc -> 2553 DPS total
IotCM: 2091 DPS from Int, 1195 DPS from proc -> 3286 DPS total

Looking at those numbers, you probably didn't have the IotCM proc included in your simulations.

I recently acquired my staff after many months of waiting and I'm quite confused. Not only do I get less procs per fight (using our H Morchok as an example) than our Shadow Priests, it seems to replicate the smallest possible damage and never one of my main nukes. I have 20 less procs than our top Shadow Priest at 55, but my damage is only 359k. The Priest has 75 procs, with 803k. Is there something in the rotation that must change?

Also, in most of my fights, Wrath is something like 27% of my damage, so I switched out of my GoSS back to GoW--is there any definitive answer on which is the best for DPS?

Edit: I'm leaving my question about WoT but found out that it does replicate more but doesn't attribute the damage to WoT on my main nukes. The procs count as the spell they're proccing, and look the same as if you cast an instant Starsurge at the end of a Starsurge cast just with no GCD.

You seem have answered your own question about DTR in your edit, basically you are only seeing procs from DoT damage, and understandably (with 4 spells counting as DoTs) SPriests will have more of those procs. What you aren't seeing is procs of your main nukes, Starsurge, Starfall, initial MF/SuF damage, and any WM you may have exploded as they count as another one of the same spell.

As for GoW vs. GoSS I believe (though I may have understood wrongly) that GoSS is a theoretical increase with 4sT13, DI and DTR, as it allows a Starfall in every Lunar. Without the lowered CD on Starsurge, GoW is probably still better, and at the moment it is unknown if GoSS is as viable as suggested due to RNG, and the fact BL may push you through eclipses too fast and throw the Starfall CD out of sync.

EDIT: Latas is correct, at least in WC it is recommended to change GoIS not GoW for GoSS once you have 4sT13.

Based on my Morchok damage, even with Wrath being my top spell, it is nearly half of every other glyph's damage. 10% of 2.7m Wrath is 270k. 20% of 3m SF/MF is 500k, and 30% of 1.5m is 460k.

The primary function of this is to allow your DTR main nuke procs to consume/generate eclipse energy to properly serve as a duplicated spell in our rotation.

I assume you are soaking crystals, which means this is ultimately a heavy movement fight throughout, it is entirely possible that GoIS produces better results when you are unable to hard cast properly.

Your math is incorrect but it doesn't really change the results. 10% of your wraths total damage is more than the 10% increase you received to get to the total damage you did. For glyph of wrath you'd want x + .1x = 53,141,921 to get to how much wrath damage you'd do without the glyph, then multiply that by .1.

This gives us the actual damage values of the glyphs given the amount of damage you did over the course of the night.
Wrath = 4.8mill. IS = 5.3mill. MF+SF = 6.3mill

So Glyph of Wrath is still the weakest but that's exactly what my WrathCalcs says is the weakest for me in 4 piece heroic T12 with Dragonwrath. It appears that Glyph of Wrath only pulls ahead of Glyph of Insect swarm once you get 4piece Heroic T13.

Edit: I'm unconvinced that glyph of starsurge will be a dps increase on actual fights even with BIS gear due to starfall not lining up nicely with lunar eclipse at current haste levels + DTR. WrathCalcs is very optimistic and assumes that you will be able to starfall every lunar eclipse w/o fail.