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Old 12/15/11, 8:45 AM   #76
Raath
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Originally Posted by Zilulil View Post
Edit: I'm unconvinced that glyph of starsurge will be a dps increase on actual fights even with BIS gear due to starfall not lining up nicely with lunar eclipse at current haste levels + DTR. WrathCalcs is very optimistic and assumes that you will be able to starfall every lunar eclipse w/o fail.
To be honest this is the main point I was getting at anyway, I was just suggesting a reason why GoIS could pull ahead of GoW, in a heavy movement fight that would be logical. As Zilulil says, GoW may pull ahead on a patchwerk fight with 4sT13heroic, but aside from Ultraxion is probably isn't practical for this raid tier.

Seeing as BiS is starting to lean towards taking heroic items in all slots avaiable (at least from my quick look at WC), this causes a dramatic loss of haste compared with using VP belt/boots and crafted wrists, so it could be the case that the lower haste could line up Starfall better. It will probably require more evidence and ultimately knowledge of the fights to know for sure. For example, I would say that any fights which allow multi-DoTing but not solar cleaving should provide an easier time lining up Starfall with every Lunar Eclipse.

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Old 12/15/11, 11:09 AM   #77
Narwhal6
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There's been a lot of rumor going around that Moonkins will pull ahead of Shadow Priests this tier for how much DPS they gain from DI. Are they any Math Gods around that can prove this to be true/false? (I'm mainly curious because I've lost my DI to a Shadow Priest this tier and its been a total eclipse of the heart).

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Old 12/15/11, 1:04 PM   #78
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Originally Posted by Consca View Post
The primary function of this is to allow your DTR main nuke procs to consume/generate eclipse energy to properly serve as a duplicated spell in our rotation.
Which is nice, but also has the downside of sometimes screwing up your refreshing of dots just as you're leaving an eclipse. It kind of sucks that a legendary staff actually hurts your dps rotation sometimes.

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Old 12/16/11, 9:43 AM   #79
Devourer
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I just notice that DTR proc will consume your Shooting Stars if you don't (or can't) use it before DTR procs a Starsurge.

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Old 12/16/11, 11:06 AM   #80
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Originally Posted by Melador View Post
Which is nice, but also has the downside of sometimes screwing up your refreshing of dots just as you're leaving an eclipse. It kind of sucks that a legendary staff actually hurts your dps rotation sometimes.
There are actually way worse implications than that, e.g. when you want to get to one cast before the end of eclipse before AoEing at Ragnaros HC so you can get to Lunar and back to Solar before next spawn or when you want to save the last cast into Eclipse for when your mana has been drained at Yor'Sahj. Staff procs have been constantly destroying my DPS in those cases, especially at Ragnaros where travel time is so high that you can easily get off 2 additional Wraths before the first one procs the staff.

But in the end the chance of Blizzard trying to fix those issues is pretty slim now so we'll just have to live with our BiS weapon randomly destroying our DPS or severely hindering our rotation if you plan around the RNG.

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Old 12/16/11, 7:35 PM   #81
Zilulil
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Llane
Originally Posted by Devourer View Post
I just notice that DTR proc will consume your Shooting Stars if you don't (or can't) use it before DTR procs a Starsurge.
This only half true. It does eat the instant cast portion but it does not put Starsurge back on CD.

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Old 12/17/11, 4:34 AM   #82
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Ooh, Monolith. I was on Llane for a short time back in BC, in uh... the guild had Darkaeo as a tank.

It still, essentially, steals a spell from you. You should have had three spells in the time it takes Starsurge to come off CD and while DTR is giving you a free one, it is consuming the other.

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Old 12/17/11, 5:53 AM   #83
Zilulil
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Llane
Originally Posted by Devourer View Post
Ooh, Monolith. I was on Llane for a short time back in BC, in uh... the guild had Darkaeo as a tank.

It still, essentially, steals a spell from you. You should have had three spells in the time it takes Starsurge to come off CD and while DTR is giving you a free one, it is consuming the other.
Since it only consumes the instant cast buff and does not place Starsurge on CD you still get the 3 you would get otherwise. You just need to hard cast the last one instead of it being instant.

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Old 12/17/11, 7:08 AM   #84
Latas
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Uther
If you have enough distance to the target such that you can hit starsurge right as the one that caused the proc hits you can use the shooting stars proc and then the proc will shoot another, however that will cause starsurge to go on cooldown like normal. I mainly saw this happen on rag.

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Old 12/17/11, 7:37 AM   #85
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Old 12/21/11, 8:15 PM   #86
Devourer
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Originally Posted by Narwhal6 View Post
There's been a lot of rumor going around that Moonkins will pull ahead of Shadow Priests this tier for how much DPS they gain from DI. Are they any Math Gods around that can prove this to be true/false? (I'm mainly curious because I've lost my DI to a Shadow Priest this tier and its been a total eclipse of the heart).
I'd like to know if this is true.

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Old 12/22/11, 1:51 AM   #87
Latas
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Uther
It's because the BiS profiles for moonkin are at a breakpoint that causes DI to be worth a lot more than it normally would while the shadow priests are not.

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Old 12/22/11, 7:12 PM   #88
Dragnmn
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Laughing Skull (EU)
I just found out on a dummy that the Lunar asymmetry has been fixed. Out of full neutral, you go to Lunar first, then to Solar, and then all the way back to Lunar. I think this means it's worth speccing into now.

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Old 12/22/11, 10:50 PM   #89
Seles
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Originally Posted by Dragnmn View Post
I just found out on a dummy that the Lunar asymmetry has been fixed. Out of full neutral, you go to Lunar first, then to Solar, and then all the way back to Lunar. I think this means it's worth speccing into now.
Do you mean Lunar Shower? I doubt it is. The reason why it's bad is not because it didn't move you towards eclipses some of the time, it's that it moved your eclipse bar at all.

There are many situations where you want to stay in certain eclipse values multidotting for all you're worth, without ever getting pushed out of it. In dragonsoul alone, lunar shower is a dps drop on 7/8 heroics.

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Old 12/23/11, 5:10 AM   #90
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Originally Posted by Seles View Post
Do you mean Lunar Shower? I doubt it is. The reason why it's bad is not because it didn't move you towards eclipses some of the time, it's that it moved your eclipse bar at all.

There are many situations where you want to stay in certain eclipse values multidotting for all you're worth, without ever getting pushed out of it. In dragonsoul alone, lunar shower is a dps drop on 7/8 heroics.
That is just false. On a couple of them its a true dps loss, and on even fewer is it a meaningful dps loss. The only fight in which its a true dps loss is deathwing. And even then its probably debatable. You could make an argument for zonozz, but you should probably be focusing tentacles down. I could see it there though.

Where do you get 7/8 heroics? That doesnt even make sense. This is the best tier so far for new lunar shower.


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