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Old 02/22/11, 11:53 AM   #136
Xenoborg
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Illidan
Are you using trash? Even on single target its good threat. I generally sneak it in when mangle is down, lacerate is at 3 and pulv is still high.

I believe Astrylian made a nice breakdown of some threat rotations for cata just before launch, but I can't seem to find it now, it was probably lost in one of the old threads.

I would advise against reforging for hit/exp unless its absolutely needed. Are you getting MD/Tricks? Are you using berserk? Are you loosing threat right at the start, at 30s when MD threat decays or later?

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Old 02/22/11, 12:31 PM   #137
sylvanora
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Echo Isles
Not sure if other bears are having problems with rage generation. I have never had an issue til cataclysm. I mostly gem for agility and reforges into dodge. Heroic dungeons are the worst as I'm mostly sitting at 33% rage. In raids I'm usually at 50% rage. Anyone else having this problem? Been reading these threads without a mention of it.

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Old 02/22/11, 1:38 PM   #138
Munen
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Elune
Originally Posted by Xenoborg View Post
Are you using trash? Even on single target its good threat. I generally sneak it in when mangle is down, lacerate is at 3 and pulv is still high.

I believe Astrylian made a nice breakdown of some threat rotations for cata just before launch, but I can't seem to find it now, it was probably lost in one of the old threads.

I would advise against reforging for hit/exp unless its absolutely needed. Are you getting MD/Tricks? Are you using berserk? Are you loosing threat right at the start, at 30s when MD threat decays or later?
Yeah I use berserk and thrash as much as possible and it tends to be earlier in the fights that i lose agg, last week was worst when we didnt have an MD or anything, not sure if I was missing something. i might drop a macro or 2 just to conserve a little rage. Maybe I'm just over-thinking it. But thank you for the advice.

I flopped most of my reforges back over to dodge to test out this evening if i was just having an off night.

Last edited by Munen : 02/22/11 at 2:49 PM.

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Old 02/23/11, 12:22 AM   #139
Sabris
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Originally Posted by Munen View Post
Yeah I use berserk and thrash as much as possible and it tends to be earlier in the fights that i lose agg, last week was worst when we didnt have an MD or anything, not sure if I was missing something. i might drop a macro or 2 just to conserve a little rage. Maybe I'm just over-thinking it. But thank you for the advice.

I flopped most of my reforges back over to dodge to test out this evening if i was just having an off night.
On the first few seconds of the fight, aggro is an issue currently, but only then.
With little to no expertise & hit, bad RNG can mean you'll miss the first mangle (or god forbid, even the second one), and with no stacked up vengeance, everything hits for much less.
Seems to me you should either ask your DPS to hold on a little bit more, until you manage to get atleast the first mangle through, get some misdirects at the first few seconds, or try berserking right off the bat.
If all those fail, or not possible, getting some expertise is the last resort.

Originally Posted by sylvanora View Post
Not sure if other bears are having problems with rage generation. I have never had an issue til cataclysm. I mostly gem for agility and reforges into dodge. Heroic dungeons are the worst as I'm mostly sitting at 33% rage. In raids I'm usually at 50% rage. Anyone else having this problem? Been reading these threads without a mention of it.
If you have your maul still macro'd to your other hits, this might be the cause. If you're getting rage starved, maul should be the first to go, and you should use it manually when you have too much rage to dump.
Also if your rage is below 20 before a pull, you can try shifting out-in for furor (you can shift out while casting thorns, for nice AoE threat to mobs that hit u), enrage, let the debuff fade, and get in.

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Old 02/23/11, 6:25 PM   #140
sylvanora
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Thanks Sabris, I do still have maul macroed. Will try w/o and see how things go.

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Old 02/24/11, 7:56 PM   #141
Pumbaa
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Currently progressing heroic Nefarian25 with my guild. You have to run out from the pillars at P2 if you get flaming cinders debuff.

I know that you can feral charge to al'akir in bear form(but not in cat form), when you get thrown back, but has anyone found a way to charge back to the Nefarian pillars?

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Old 03/01/11, 3:01 AM   #142
Destru
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you can use Aquatic Form in the lava for ezmode

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Old 03/06/11, 9:33 PM   #143
Curan
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Die Nachtwache (EU)
Is Mew-20110215 (Alpha) (Feb 15) updated to the newest patch and mechanics?
If yes, why do I get the highest DPS results with Fluid Death and Tia's Grace?
I used the 372 Sample, switches the race to Night Elf (in order to eliminate the worgen racial trait in the sims), canceled the synapse strings buff (in order to eliminate gains from professions) and changed the glyp from Tiger's Fury for the Glyph Berserk.
After playing around with trinket-sims for a while I ended up with 26813.76707 DPS as my highest result, using Tia's Grace and Fluid Death?

EDIT:
Thank you Petitourson.
That was exactely the answer I needed.

Last edited by Curan : 03/07/11 at 8:36 AM.

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Old 03/07/11, 7:26 AM   #144
Petitourson
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It's because you only modified the proc part, which is the biggest dps contributor for these 2 trinkets (stacking agility) and didn't account for the passive stats of the trinkets you tested them against, i.e. EoTC, PTOM and Unheeded Warning are BIS mostly because of their passive agility.

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Old 03/07/11, 9:10 PM   #145
Nich
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Are we likely to see, anytime soon slash at all, bears at a point where their combined miss/dodge/parry chance is low enough and their crit chance is high enough that they'll be pushing the (modified) crit cap?

I'd like to offer moral support, but I have questionable morals

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Old 03/08/11, 2:25 AM   #146
Derraie
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Dentarg
Does anyone know why Rawr is not putting any significance towards Hit Rating? It seems like whenever I set up and Optimized Loadout it gives me something like 600 HR under cap which is ridiculous. I know in WOTLK hit rating was "kind of a big deal". Can anyone confirm/deny that we should be losing all of our hit/expertise?

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Old 03/08/11, 7:00 AM   #147
Petitourson
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At the end of WOTLK, we were close to or past the white crit cap that we had to offset it by reaching towards both hit and expertise caps in order to make the most out of the crit rating on our gear. Haste was also a good alternative the closer you were getting to the white crit cap. Before patch 4.0.6 Feral dps in Cataclysm emphasized bleed uptime to such an extent that both hit and expertise could be disregarded, since bleeds can't miss or be dodged and provided you allowed their refresh enough time to account for misses/dodges. Patch 4.0.6 saw the increase in damage of Shred such that it's now a slightly bigger deal to miss, as I understand it, and as the Mew simulator has shown, that reforging your gear out of haste or crit (depending on your gear) in favor of hit is no longer such a dps loss. I, for instance, lose as little as 2-3 dps for every extra 50 hit rating. You don't want to cap both hit and expertise though, which I don't think is possible anyhow without reforging out of mastery and that would clearly be a dps loss.

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Old 03/08/11, 11:28 AM   #148
Tiffara
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Cenarion Circle
I just ran across what appears to be a bug and was wondering if anyone could confirm. When specced into Leader of the Pack, after logging in, when I shift into cat or bear form, I get an extra 64 crit rating that stays around regardless of form until I relog. This is both with and without gear, and with no buffs (professions are leather working and jewel crafting). When testing it, I unlearned my talents, then slowly added talents back until it showed up again.

I don't recall the last time I checked my crit rating against my gear, so I don't know when this showed up. I'm pretty sure it wasn't true for 4.0.1. Unfortunately, .36% crit is too small to easily test for, so I have no idea if this is just a paper doll display error, or if it's an actual increase in crit.

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Old 03/08/11, 12:02 PM   #149
Slott
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Akama
I'm experiencing the same thing. When I log in I have 1220 crit rating, when I go cat form, then switch out, I have 1292 crit rating.

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Old 03/08/11, 12:15 PM   #150
thornmallow
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I'm pretty sure that glitch is related to the random suffix loot from Throne. It looks like both Tiffara and Slott are wearing "of the Windstorm" belts, and I'm guessing you've both reforged them -- and Tiffara has the normal version while Slott has the heroic version, which explains the small difference in numbers.

Now, what it has to do with Leader of the Pack, I don't know.

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