Yeah, that would account for my +64 versus his +72 (nice spot!). However, it did show up without the gear on, and with the gear on, it didn't show up unless I had the Leader of the Pack talent taken.

I am looking for a discussion of the various bear/tank trinkets and their relative value. I have tried searching on this site but haven't had any luck. I've only found a few mentions of single trinkets. I was hoping to see a discussion of all of them. I realize you can't really rank them like you can for feral dps, for instance, where you have single measurement of DPS. However, it seems that, for general use, a rough comparison could be made for all of them.

Right now, I'm simply aiming for a mix of what seems to be our best stats. Tia's Grace obviously looks great, since it has a large chunk of mastery and a relatively high amount of constant Agility, once it stacks up. Plus, it can be reforged to Dodge. But I still have to wonder if it's still better than epic trinkets. I was using the epic Essence of the Cyclone (static Agility + crit proc) in its place for a while, but the lack of reforging, the lower total Agility, and the less desirable crit proc seemed to make it less desirable. I also use one stamina trinket, just to round everything out.

So has an in-depth depth discussion been done about the relative values of trinkets for bears? If so, can someone direct me to it?

The issue with Tanking gear is that they are a lot more dynamic, especially in the trinket slot. With that said, Essence of the Cyclone is really not a good tanking trinket under most, if not all, circumstances. If you're stacking avoidance, Tia's Grace and Fluid death can both be reforged into dodge and provide high agility. If you're stacking stamina there are also numerous choices.

Agreed; ultimately trinkets should fall into accomplishing what you want from a given fight and then customizing those things. There aren't any slam-dunk win trinkets out there for all fights; armor has been seriously curtailed, stamina is not the be-all end all it was late in WotLK and agility is not the be-all end all for bears that it was early in WotLK.

That being said, there are some that you should aim for.

[Mirror of Broken Images] provides about 30% resistance to all schools of magic on a 1-minute cooldown. That it can be reforged to dodge makes it nice as well.
[Essence of the Cyclone] is better than [Prestor's Talisman of Machination], but neither are that great due to the crit/haste they grant as the buff. A dodge trinket is better for avoidance and overall reduction in damage.
[Vial of Stolen Memories] and [Symbiotic Worm] are interesting; I would suspect Vial works out better in general for bears as added mastery every 30 seconds at best isn't going to trump a 20-second window of higher dodge for either large attacks or small attacks or multiple attacks.
[Darkmoon Card: Earthquake] is interesting and better than the above agility trinkets most of the time. While it doesn't add the AP and crit, it does have a fairly decent cooldown.
[Lifebound Alchemist Stone] is good as an option over the other stamina trinkets, as you get a secondary benefit that is on all the time and can be reforged to dodge.
Finally, [Unsolvable Riddle] has the potential to give the largest amount of avoidance at one point and gives quite a bit of static mastery/dodge.

Ultimately as a tank you should get mirror; it will help you in multiple fights on this tier and almost certainly in firelands raids. Past that get at least one stamina trinket, one avoidance trinket, and one cooldown trinket that can be used on demand.

The only time threat is really a concern at low hit/expertise levels is in the first few seconds of a fight, when a bad avoidance string can eat a large portion of your threat generating abilities. DPS can either just go easy for a second or two, or mitigate your potentially low initial threat with misdirect/tricks. Mitigation/avoidance is a lot more important, and most of your tank stats help you build threat anyway.

Thank you Kana, I'll go with Rawr then.

Just 2 gemming questions. Should I gem to 150 bear form unbuffed health and then stack agi? Also, should I go epic Agi gems (67agi) or Stam (101 stam)?

Hello; simple question here regarding the head enchant that DPS feral druids should be using. Would the difference in haste v. mastery make up for the small amount of crit / ap lost from the agility if one were to use the enchant from Wildhammer clan?

As Agi is far above strength for Kitties, the enchant from Wldhammer is never an option to the Ramkahen enchant.
Fully Raidbuffed, AGI as about the DPS factor of 3, but strength only round about 2.
In good Raidgear, Haste is not far away from Mastery as a secondary stat.

Out of curiosity, what happened to the Feral-Bear thread? Is it perhaps in the process of being updated, or is it permanently dead?

It's over a month old so it won't show up with default viewing options. Change you settings to view older threads.

I know people hate it when other people question their tools, but i gotta ask this anyway since I have a discussion in the guild.

I trust rawr to show me my upgrades. However, rawr rates mastery much, much higher than Bear Mitigation Spreadsheet | The Inconspicuous Bear. Also, expertise and hit are counted as mitigation whereas neither should have any effect on it, since crits don't miss or get dodged/parried. Can someone tell me what i am missing?