[Balance] WrathCalcs - Page 24

• Hamlet · 11/22/11, 10:24 AM

I don't think there are any major mechanics changes for 4.3--I think I put up a preliminary version with new set bonuses a while ago when they were previewed. Maybe after Tecton has the new items in, someone could just make a list of set bonuses/trinkets that need mechanical review and I'll to cover them before things are live.

e: Same goes for TreeCalcs too--I think it put in the new WG stuff when it was on PTR but, if sometime before live someone posts a list to remind me of relevant changes I can see if they're all represented in the sheet. I don't think anything has changed which should be too time-consuming to update.

♦ Tecton · 11/23/11, 4:31 AM

Yeah, there's not been any real mechanical changes, more people asking directly for rotational updates. I'll just relay on some of the requests I've had recently:

Starsurge only in Eclipse, rather than always and possibly an ability to set how many per Eclipse rotation to use for energy management reasons.

DOT strategy: a halfway house between "Always Refresh" and "Once each Eclipse". Most of the requests were for something similar to 1 set of DOTs from Lunar to Solar, but 2 (with a refresh prior to NG expiring) from Solar to Lunar.

An option for Starfall only in Lunar, but without using the glyph of Starsurge to have it every time even if it means delaying the cast.

Casting mushrooms as part of the rotation. I've pointed out this is really only for movement fights when a spreadsheet is really by nature Patchwerk, but it was requested as a way of helping measure adding movement to a fight.

As far as item mechanics, I think I've caught everything in the version I'm working on at the moment, but the damage proc items (Cunning of the Cruel - Item - World of Warcraft and Rathrak, the Poisonous Mind - Item - World of Warcraft) could use a look.

Also, I'm not sure if it's still the case on PTR, but according to Hidden's post above, DTR DOT procs are double dipping from the Arcane damage multiplier from Lunar where they didn't previously.

I'll be uploading the finalised version for items probably tomorrow. Cheers!

♦ Tecton · 11/25/11, 6:45 AM

Ok, so I've removed the options for Heroic/LFR versions of VP items (I don't think there's an upgrade mechanism this tier?) changed a few items/procs/etc. I've gone with the cooldowns from WoWhead for the on-use trinkets (i.e. 1:30) and assumed a 45 second ICD on the Deathwing haste proc staff. I've put the stats for Ti'takh on the haste page, but haven't hacked it in.

I've updated the DRW proc rate to what was posted above, haven't done anything in regards to the extra damage from arcane multipliers though (is that still in effect, anyone?).

Gear in the T13 profile is just quickly thrown in for something sensible to work from.

nephyron · 11/25/11, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Tecton

I've updated the DRW proc rate to what was posted above, haven't done anything in regards to the extra damage from arcane multipliers though (is that still in effect, anyone?).

No it's not, they fixed it...and I'm having a 8% proc rate

♦ Tecton · 11/28/11, 9:37 AM

Just as an update, I'm aware of the following item changes:

VP cloaks have had a socket added.
Girdle of Fungal Dreams - Item - World of Warcraft exists, I don't think trash drops were in when I added all the items initially.
I've removed the wrong ilvl version of the VP bracers.
The normal version of Will of Unbinding needs to have it's name edited with "(Normal)" to differentiate.

I'll update these once Hamlet is finished. Let me know if you spot any other items changes.

• Hamlet · 11/28/11, 10:39 PM

Ok, not much to update here. Tecton knows how to get trinket procs in, including haste.
--I added a template for Cunning of the Cruel, but we don't have a proc rate, so it's 0 for now. Can edit it in on the Basic Calcs page. If it winds up having a long ICD, can better model it as fixed damage on cooldown than a per-spell proc.
--Ti'tahk is really messy. Adding as a new category to the haste profile would double the size of the chart, if we were remaining true to the model, slowing down the sheet a good deal for just one item. For now I kludged it into the "trinket 2" slot, so it will model fine as long as you don't have a haste proc trinket in slot 2. Since there aren't two top-quality haste proc trinkets, this should be good enough for people to work out BIS lists and breakpoints, and few normal users will be impacted. Tecton, if you feel like it, maybe find a place to add some warning language or something (maybe a flag on the trinket 2 slot if you have the staff equipped?).

♦ Tecton · 11/29/11, 6:11 AM

Would it cause any issues if I just swap the Ti'tahk haste over into the Hurricane column rather than Trinket 2, since nobody ever really uses Hurricane any more? Would be less likely to cause any problems for anyone using unusual trinket combos.

• Hamlet · 11/29/11, 7:03 AM

That's fine, probably better.

♦ Tecton · 11/29/11, 8:23 AM

Good stuff. Updated the following, then:

Misc. itemisation changes from previous post.
Added an IF to the legendary proc rate (was just applying a blanket 8%).
From WoWhead comments, CotC apparently has a 30 second ICD. I've converted it over to a DPS value as suggested. I'll update this when we get more reliable information, but it's pretty weak if that's the case unless you are hitting multiple targets.
Changed the Ti'takh haste bonus over to the Hurricane column. A warning message will appear when combining the two.
Amended the 4t13 profile to use Glyph of Starsurge + Starfall only in Lunar, as it's a DPS increase.

Again, the gear setup is just thrown on there, once more people look at the BiS setup I'll update it with that.

Stommped · 11/30/11, 11:39 AM

After a little reforging, I saw higher numbers using the heroic Treads of Sordid Screams over the Boots of Fungoid Growth. However the weird thing was, even though the sockets were red/red in the heroic treads, it gave me me more overall DPS to leave in the Reckless gem in one of those sockets. Haste was at 2827 so no where near a break point.

Also it would seem like using the Resto tier chest as offpiece over the shoulders would be better since we essentially gain an item with haste this way.

Mogurii · 12/01/11, 12:11 PM

I currently have 4pT12 all 378 pieces, and WC is not showing an upgrade for me to T13, until heroic. Are the set bonuses not calculated as your latest version? Specifically the T13 4p bonus. I'm just trying to get an idea of when the ilvl increases from T13 would eventually compensate for the very strong 4pT12, and it's just keeps coming up with "never" for 397 ilvl T13, is this accurate, and should I just wait until 403 T13?

thedopefishlives · 12/01/11, 1:10 PM

Originally Posted by Mogurii

I currently have 4pT12 all 378 pieces, and WC is not showing an upgrade for me to T13, until heroic. Are the set bonuses not calculated as your latest version? Specifically the T13 4p bonus. I'm just trying to get an idea of when the ilvl increases from T13 would eventually compensate for the very strong 4pT12, and it's just keeps coming up with "never" for 397 ilvl T13, is this accurate, and should I just wait until 403 T13?

No, the 4T13 set bonus is just that bad. I'm imagining a lot of people will be running with 2T12+2T13 plus whatever high ilevel off-set piece they can get until they can gather heroic 4T13.

Mogurii · 12/01/11, 1:28 PM

I don't think that the Deep Earth Leggings are attached to the set bonus in the latest release. I'm trying to pair the Gloves and the Leggings, but not getting the set bonus.

EDIT: I think this error only pertains to the LFR ilvl items. I had selected those by mistake, I don't see this error when selecting the Normal ilvl items.

EDIT2: I"m now seeing what you mentioned, I was using ALL LFR ilvl set pieces before, but with the 378 ilvl T12 pieces, WC is now showing a dps increase. According to the spreadsheet going from 378 4pT12 < 378 2pT12 + 397 2pT13 < 397 4pT13, even though the 4pT13 bonus is nill. The ilvl seems to take over at that point.

♦ Tecton · 12/01/11, 6:57 PM

It's just the LFR legs that are missed, good catch. If you want to fix this manually before the next version:

Go to the Gear List sheet.
Select cell R317.
Type T13.

Done!

Raath · 12/01/11, 8:16 PM

The 1 spirit from Lightweave Embroidery has been removed with 4.3, it is still in the sheet I believe, nothing major, just thought I'd mention it!