[Balance] WrathCalcs - Page 31

• Hamlet · 09/13/12, 8:34 PM

Dream of Cenarius, little thing on the front page that shows if tables are up to date, and a couple minor things.

DoC model is a little generous in that you the CA benefit for free, but other than that I can't think of much wrong with it.

♦ Tecton · 09/14/12, 5:49 AM

Ok, a few updates on my end then:

Done

Trinkets added (haste procs and int procs). I've made a table for trinket Haste procs on the Basic Calcs sheet with a list of haste trinkets/values on Charsheetdata. There's only a few this tier, but should make maintaining this easier in future.
Profile saving & loading updated. Import/Export still WIP.
Moved server up to the top bar since there was a couple of cells free, this should reduce some of the PM traffic I get about import not working when it wasn't filled in.
Average Intellect from Synapse Springs now being picked up.
Stuff about random stat items removed for now. Thankfully these aren't a thing any more.
Renamed Hurricane enchant in Haste module to Misc, leaves us a place to put something like Ti'takh if it ever happens again.

To Be Done

Add Cogwheels to the trinket drop downs for the new Engineering trinket.
Confirm ICD on Zen Alchemist Stone. I've gone with the 55 seconds from the Relic of Yu'lon for now.
Confirm Vision of the Predator proc.
Have a shot at a predicted proc time for Light of the Cosmos. Base 45 second ICD, but procs on DoT ticks. Showing as very strong for now.
Show actual character sheet stats somewhere for comparison purposes.
Conditional Formatting on the Sha-Touched gem type isn't showing up on older versions of Excel. Hrmmph.

Please note: although the profile is called T14H BiS, I'm not saying this is the best setup, it's just what the profile will eventually hold. I'll also be adding Pre-Raid & T14N profiles later.

Interestingly, Worgen is showing as more DPS than Troll which is a little counterintuitive. The 8089 breakpoint (+4 ticks) is also possible with some gems/reforges.

Eloraqz · 09/14/12, 6:08 AM

The Int/Haste Procc of Light of the Cosmos/Essence of Terror are not correct on wowhead. They're higher and different in hc/normal/lfr on live/beta journal

♦ Tecton · 09/14/12, 6:26 AM

Originally Posted by Eloraqz

The Int/Haste Procc of Light of the Cosmos/Essence of Terror are not correct on wowhead. They're higher and different in hc/normal/lfr on live/beta journal

Can you provide the values from beta? I'll not be able to check it myself for a while.

Hasp · 09/14/12, 9:08 AM

Light of Cosmos:
LFR - 956 Haste/2866 Intellect
Normal - 1079 Haste/3226 Intellect
Heroic - 1218 Haste/3653 Inellect

Essence of Terror:
LFR - 1021 Intellect/6121 Haste
Normal - 1152 Intellect/6908 Haste
Heroic - 1300 Intellect/7796 Haste

Taken from live DJ.

• Hamlet · 09/14/12, 10:04 AM

The spot that used to be Hurricane will probably be used by Windsong anyway (although might rethink this if it winds up being clearly inferior).

♦ Tecton · 09/14/12, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Hasp

Light of Cosmos:
LFR - 956 Haste/2866 Intellect
Normal - 1079 Haste/3226 Intellect
Heroic - 1218 Haste/3653 Inellect

Essence of Terror:
LFR - 1021 Intellect/6121 Haste
Normal - 1152 Intellect/6908 Haste
Heroic - 1300 Intellect/7796 Haste

Taken from live DJ.

Thanks for these, I'll update with the next batch of changes. From a quick change, this means that Cosmos/Essence are going to be our BiS trinkets this tier, bumping Relic of Yu'lon off the top (although it's still very good).

Eluial · 09/14/12, 5:51 PM

Hamlet, does the DoC modeling work with changing your dot application strategy? I know back when DoC was looking really strong people were discussing different ways to make the best use of it, but I don't remember if there was a consensus. The ones I remember are:
Eclipse > HT > On DoT > Clip On DoT before exiting eclipse = 1 HT per eclipse
Eclipse > HT > On DoT > Eclipse > On DoT = 1 HT per 2 eclipse
Eclipse > HT > On DoT > Off DoT = 1 HT per eclipse

edit: Does it also take into account using swiftmend nature's swiftness once per minute?

edit 2: Yes, I did indeed mean nature's swiftness. Sorry!

• Hamlet · 09/14/12, 10:51 PM

It allows for the second two of those. Those are the behaviors it assumes if you select DoC and either "One DoT per Eclipse" or "Both DoTs per Eclipse", respectively.

It currently doesn't do anything for either Swiftmend or CA.

e: Swiftmend is a Resto spell.

magojo · 09/15/12, 1:27 AM

I'm quite sure Eluial meant Nature's Swiftness, since the 1 minute cooldown was also mentioned.

• Hamlet · 09/15/12, 2:54 AM

Oh I get it. I haven't really memorized all the talents yet. May as well put it in. The others in that tier not only don't do any DPS but aren't really amazing utility (compared to say, instant Rebirth).

thedopefishlives · 09/15/12, 4:38 PM

Originally Posted by Hamlet

Oh I get it. I haven't really memorized all the talents yet. May as well put it in. The others in that tier not only don't do any DPS but aren't really amazing utility (compared to say, instant Rebirth).

Nature's Swiftness makes DoC work. Without it, it is considerably weaker because every one of your HT's has to be hard cast. This was the mistake I made when I estimated that 50% bonus damage to Moonfire would be too weak to compete with the other talents in that tier.

• Hamlet · 09/15/12, 4:54 PM

Yeah, with a one-DoT DOC setup, getting to NS every other HT cuts wasted time down by 20% (5s to 4s pre-haste), which should be noticeable.

♦ Tecton · 09/17/12, 5:45 AM

Just a couple of things I've spotted, noting them here to help remember:

Alchemy flask bonus needs to be updated to 320 Int (it's in an IF statement on the Basic Calcs sheet, I believe).
I need to update the belt buckle name, as well as all of the enchant/gem IDs.
Synapse Springs are giving double benefit.

• Hamlet · 09/17/12, 10:31 AM

So FoN treants apparently cast this:
Wrath - Spell - World of Warcraft

So 3 trees casting a 2s spell for 15s, with a 20% coefficient.
1) Do they actually get 7 casts off, or do they get less due to rooting things/moving/durdling around like pets always do?
2) Do they inherit your haste/crit/hit, or was that broken/lies/never materialized?