[Balance] WrathCalcs - Page 48

• Hamlet · 01/16/13, 10:08 AM

Yeah, seeing how an NG bonus improves haste would be handy. Problem is it would be really complicated to do. NG uptime calcs always have circularity problems, especially here since the whole point is going to be an effect on crit, and crit causes instant Starsurges, which change rotation time. I'll see if there seems to be a good way.

Zelidar · 01/16/13, 11:52 AM

I don't know if you've ran into this yet. I'm running 2013 Office x64 on my home computer. If you have made a version for it, would please direct me to it (for non-ptr) as it is giving me an error for spreadsheet saying it needs to be converted to 64 bit. If you haven't, I can give you the error that I'm receiving verbatim when I'm home, as well as what line specifically it is at issue with.

• Hamlet · 01/16/13, 11:54 AM

Check up in the thread, but I think Tecton's said it only works in 32-bit Excel.

• Hamlet · 01/16/13, 1:48 PM

Small update--added Jade Spirit PPM, and changed FoN casts to 8 (still pretty much a guess).

♦ Tecton · 01/16/13, 3:28 PM

Originally Posted by Zelidar

I don't know if you've ran into this yet. I'm running 2013 Office x64 on my home computer. If you have made a version for it, would please direct me to it (for non-ptr) as it is giving me an error for spreadsheet saying it needs to be converted to 64 bit. If you haven't, I can give you the error that I'm receiving verbatim when I'm home, as well as what line specifically it is at issue with.

You can make a fix for 64 bit versions of Excel that will allow the base functionality to run, but the armory import won't function. Unless you're using spreadsheets that are absolutely monstrous, you're better just swapping to 32 bit Excel anyway, 64 bit isn't really supported very well.

Stommped · 01/17/13, 1:06 AM

Originally Posted by Hamlet

Small update--added Jade Spirit PPM, and changed FoN casts to 8 (still pretty much a guess).

So with 8 casts (seems perfectly reasonable if we make sure to use them with NG every time) it seems to math out quite a bit higher than Incarnation. FoN also is nice since you should always get the full benefit from their DPS every time, whereas with Incarnation you will lose a bit with any movement during the duration, provided you have no SS procs. We should also get at least an extra cast during lust. Would it be important to try and learn the breakpoints for # of casts?

FoN should also be even better with 4pc, since we would drop them every time we proc NG, thus inheriting our 1000 crit bonus for the duration. On intense multi dot/aoe fights you will likely still want to use Incarnation, but apart from those fights WC seems to show FoN as the winner.

Also their stats do not update dynamically right? Dropping them during any point of the NG buff should suffice, so we can try to wait out trinket procs and such?

♦ Tecton · 01/17/13, 3:58 AM

Regarding breakpoints, it's not a smooth "at this haste they do this many casts" because they don't chain casts properly. This does behave a lot better at higher levels of Haste, though. Sometimes they'll run around for a second after being placed, sometimes they'll squeeze an extra cast in by beginning to cast sooner, if you cast them within the hitbox they will (would, at least) replace a cast with a melee swing. And you have the age-old problem of them dying or spending their entire uptime running about like idiots because of pathing.

P_H · 02/05/13, 8:04 PM

I apologize if I'm missing something (a quick thread search yielded no results), but is there a reason Sunfire is not listed in the Individual Spell Data? Or is its damage identical to Moonfire now?

• Hamlet · 02/05/13, 10:56 PM

The damage is identical.

P_H · 02/06/13, 12:24 AM

Ok, thank you!

Slippykins · 02/12/13, 2:33 PM

Slight nag - do we know if the gear on the PTR for raids is finalised, and if so when would we be able to import it in WrathCalcs?

• Hamlet · 02/12/13, 3:34 PM

Just saw it posted here: 5.2 PTR: Throne of Thunder Loot Tables - Wowhead News , don't remember if Tecton usually does it before or after live. I'll try to take a look at trinkets sometime soon.

♦ Tecton · 02/12/13, 7:29 PM

Didn't know the loot tables had went up, sorry! Here's a version to get things rolling.

Changes:

Should be hiding the OH when a two-handed spellpower mace is equipped. Haven't had to worry about those in a while!
T15 detection added.
New metagem added to the dropdown.
All the gear added that I could see. Let me know if I missed anything.

To be done:

Trinket/metagem procs. There are a few in here you'll probably need to have a look at too, Hamlet.
New metagem item ID for armory import. Just noting it here so I remember for next time.

In general, I'm not raiding (or subbed, actually) at the moment so feel free to shout at me on Twitter or something if anything needs to be added or there's anything I need to have a look at as I'm not keeping track of the news sites.

Stommped · 02/15/13, 9:45 PM

Per GC, Crit no longer updates dynamically for dots (this will be in the next PTR patch I'm assuming). This obviously makes the Lei Shen trinket incredibly strong. For now they ok with us applying MF/SuF with the 100% crit buff and having every tick crit for it's duration, leading to chain Starsurges which will extend those crit buffed dots.

Slippykins · 02/16/13, 3:19 AM

Has the Sinister Primal Diamond (30% haste proc) been added into WrathCalcs? Going from Burning -> Sinister shows a 4k DPS loss - I know the 3% crit damage is quite a big boost, but I would've thought a semi-bloodlust would be good as well.

Edit: just averaging out the 30% for 10 seconds on 0.84 realPPM, it turns into a flat 4.2% additional haste (1786.23 rating). Adding that into the stat line makes the Sinister meta beat out Burning by around 2.5k DPS, relative to T15H BiS. Then again, if this has already been added in, my point is moot.