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07/14/08, 8:52 PM
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#1696
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Efejel
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Woot, got it to work on my desktop.... Quick question. I am sure I am just missing something here, but I don't see Cowl of the Gran Engineer (which is cloth, unfortunately), or the Sorcerer's Alchemist Stone.... Am I just missing something somewhere? Thanks!
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07/15/08, 4:07 AM
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#1697
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Piston Honda
Worgen Mage
The Sha'tar (EU)
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It's listed as "Collar of the Grand Engineer". Similarly, the Cowl of the Illidari High Lord is listed as "Crown of the Illidari High Lord" instead. There may be a few more naming and spelling mistakes here and there.
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07/15/08, 4:39 AM
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#1698
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Piston Honda
Tauren Druid
Dragonblight
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I have ADHD... I just get to the first letter of a word and guess for the rest. >.> Or, slight errors exist (mostly on items I've never had/had a chance at) that weren't brought to my attention in the past! I've made a mental note of it, I'll do my best to correct these if/when I push a new release.
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"Electronic communities build nothing. You wind up with nothing. We are dancing animals. How beautiful it is to get up and go out and do something." - Kurt Vonnegut
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07/15/08, 6:08 AM
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#1699
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Moof.
Lorewanderer
Tauren Druid
No WoW Account
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The spreadsheet probably won't work with Excel 2008 (Mac) since they removed scripting in some form (don't have it to check), but it should work for versions before that.
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07/15/08, 2:37 PM
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#1700
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by erragal
Just one note: The leather shoulders are actually better than the cloth ones as far as Sunwell pieces. The mail ones are better than both. Also, were you testing with the Cowl as your helmet (Being that it's the best helmet you can get up through KJ) ? The difference between the T6 gloves and the sunwell leather gloves is minimal if you need the hit (And it has to come from somewhere). Would cowl + Brut leggings + leather shoulders from twins be enough to equal or surpass the T5 bonus? Just a quick toss through the spreadsheet has the two nearly equal to each other.
Certainly if you were a tailor and got the patterns, you'd be even better off. (Too bad there aren't any leather ones...maybe WOTLK)
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I've been getting better numbers of the Amice of the Convoker over the Spaulders of Devestation, so I was popping them in over the leather. Tested with Thunderheart helm + Tranquil Moonlight as a halfway point to keep 4pc T6, Amice, and Calamity Leggings, and came out to about even with double 4pc, and then after that, replacement with Dark Conjuror's Cowl, sunfire robes, and replaced the tranquil moonlight gloves with T6 again to keep 4pc bonus again at the end.
So end set was Dark Conjuror's Cowl, Amice of the Convoker, Sunfire Robes, Leggings of Calamity, and 4pc T6, or so.
Last edited by Yukikaze : 07/16/08 at 4:10 PM.
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07/16/08, 7:28 AM
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#1701
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Glass Joe
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I'm officially a believer of the 4pt5 + 4pt6 thing that everyone has been talking about so much on these forums. Last week, I tried it out and I'm not sure what I was doing wrong... but I could barely break 1700 dps on brutallus. This week I swapped out my T6 chest and T5 gloves for T5 chest and T6 gloves, and I was regularly breaking 2k dps over our attempts. On the final "kill" attempt, I achieved 2006 dps, and that was with me dying about 3/4 the way through the bloodlust at about 5 or 6%, and not being able to pop my hex head trinket for a third time.
I finished 7th on overall damage, slightly behind our top mage. Mind you, I was also in a soak group, meaning spell pushbacks on my starfire whenever the flame debuff hit.
Overall, I'm very pleased with the T5 + T6 deal, and I will probably be sticking with it until my guild has Kil'Jaeden on farm status, which probably won't happen for a long, long, long ass time.
What kind of numbers are you T6 + haste moonkins putting out? If it's not significantly more than what I've been seeing with my 4T5 + 4T6, I doubt I will be taking any pieces until all of the mages/warlocks have had their pick.
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07/16/08, 2:41 PM
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#1702
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Glass Joe
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My backstory... I raided prebc, started late about three months before BC was to arrive. I asked all my friends whom got me into the game what class no one used, and druid was by far the least (i believe when i checked the numbers on a few of the servers druids as a whole were less that 17% and boomkins less than 3% total.) I have been a boomkin first ever since Blood Hoof, even when i had to heal in the 40 mans.
Anyway, i got into a raiding guild once i hit 60, farmed out MC for 5/8 T1 and many Ony attempts though my guild never did summon rag or down the first boss in BWL.
Jan07 hit and I was deployed to Iraq. I come back to the game about three months ago (april) and boy has everything changed. Just got back into the thick of it all and before i hit lvl 63 i got offers for guilds just for being a boomkin (god i love this toon  ). Raiding ssc so many times i can't count, i have 4/5 T5 now and from going off the item listings from both "best upgrade" on wowarmory as well as using the Ef loot tables in the wow druid discussion forums/the spreadsheet comparing upgrades; I am now left with... nothing as a foreseeable big upgrade [besides hex head over DMC: Crusade].
My current guild's progression (of which i am the druid class lead) is at 6/6SSC 3/4 TK 4/5 mt hyjal 2/9 BT with no mother shaz or kael in sight for at least 2 weeks i imagine... I am curious only as to what I should do or if there are any upgrades within those instances that would really put me over the top. money is no factor as i have my epic mount nearly two times over worth so regeming/enchanting can be done at a moment's notice. I personally have my shadow resist set (357 w/o pants) scoped out for when we down kael, and I have the mats to make them all, just need the rep so i can buy the patterns (LW/Skinner). now that we can stomp through the first four in hyjal 1 shots each week, little trouble on first boss in BT then oneshot second (haven't tried beyond that) just trying to see where we should go next.
The biggest setback as far as T6 is rolling on gloves/helm when it'll break my t5 four set bonus. I have done the numbers with the spreadsheet and it looks like just for getting the gloves alone it'll be over a 100dps loss for me. I'm trying to work out the best mode to maximize my dps without taking a hit like that (appeasing everyone by actually wearing the t6 rather than just have it sit in my bank to swap out when we actually get to mother shaz and illidan for the other pieces for T6 four set). The problem with my T5 was sharing my tokens with my druid tanks as well as the warriors; i was last to get any T5 past two set bonus because I had already had the badge loot equiv and wasn't the biggest upgrade over even my tree healers, so i was forced to pass. Now that I have just received my t5 four set bonus and am smoking ALL mages and coming close if not topping the locks/shamans/rogues on the damage meters (even with battle rezes, those clothies are so squishy lol) how can i justify a loss in dps after I just got new teir gear?
as for my skill by itself... do not know if this guild is holding me back or if there is anything more i can do personally to help bring us pass this blockade of three-four main pre-sunwell bosses that we're stuck on (Kael, Mother Shazz, Archimonde) [we practically have Vashj on farm, 1-3 shots each week]. my armory is linked below, if anyone has any input it's always welcome. I have a lot of stock in my guild, i have practically irl befriended a lot of them cuz they're just cool ppl, but if im going to be paying $15 a month, i want to progress, otherwise i might as well buy a few cases of beer and wait for WOTLK if this is the best i'll get. i also do not want to have to drag ppl but im just at a loss of what personally i can do besides just recruiting t6 ppl from other guilds to push us past this brick wall.
All in all if ya'll could help me with the summarized questions below... minus the fluff from above  that would be most beneficial
1. Bosses to focus on as far as guild progression; Arch...(17%,22%,34% 3/25 notable attempts in two weeks)... or Kael?
2. Gear... where do i go next? T6 over t5 four set bonus? (keep in mind my boss/instance constraints...)
3. Guild period, is that my folly? The 400% armor can't drag an entire raid... can it? lol
The World of Warcraft Armory
To Ef and everyone, thank you so much for putting in the leg work for all the formulas within the spreadsheet as well as taking the time to research all the difference weapons/armor/items/chants. it made my personal progression from t1 - t5 all that much quicker and easier.
-Lath
PS Owlkin Frenzy? Holy balls lol
PSS that +15 stam was to apiase my meta... i'll be replacing that this week so please no QQ on that nubness 
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07/16/08, 3:25 PM
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#1703
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Glass Joe
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How about you just wait until your guild has got at least hyjal cleared, and clearing BT through illidan, before picking up any pieces of T6? I was wearing 4p T5 well into black temple, and I only started taking T6 after everyone else got theirs/it would go offspec. Hell, I still wear my 4p T5 now, in sunwell.
1) Has your guild crafted shadow resistance for your entire raid, for mother sharaz? If so, I don't see how you could still be having problems...
2) Archimonde .. tell everyone that it's not a dps race, it's a control fight. Control the fight, heal the tank, stay out of doomfire, use tears of the goddess EARLIER than you think (taking a bit of fall damage is better than cratering). If your guild has too many downies who can't seem to get things right, that's what recruitment is for... sit them out until their performance improves.
3) You can basically look forward to offset upgrades (boots from najentus, main hand wep from either hyjal trash or najentus, and offhand from rage winterchill, belt from supremus, ring from ZA/trinket from ZA, etc). Just keep your T5 as is, it will serve you just fine until your guild has illidan on farm status.
Good luck.
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07/16/08, 3:51 PM
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#1704
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Glass Joe
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1. We have been building our Heart of Darkness stockpile in the gbank, though we're less than half needed to get everyone in one raid their set, let alone anyone else who would be a replacement for later fights.
2. As we have even yet to attempt Kael it seems that focusing on Archimonde and downing him a few times would be the best focus, then once we have Hyjal on farm then focus on BT, as the natural progression states.
3. I keep losing DKP from our GM and RL getting pissed off an arch wipes though. some people that miss main progression raid nights have 200+ dkp and I have 63 now, even though i've been to literally every raid but one since our guild's inception. Some people take it upon themselves to outbid people on items (mostly happens on offspec though) just to sell it to them for gold cuz they have DKP to burn). Getting offset is proving cumbersome, though not impossible, i have a full healing set mapped out at around 1700 I believe.
I guess all in all im just looking at the time dwindling away and getting frustrated with having to take three months plus to get there. I'd like for myself to continue to receive upgrades, other than just showing up and watching myself slowly get bumped lower and lower on the dmg meter as other members surpass me in gear before i can take another big upgrade one week for 4/8 when every has had their fill.
I guess i can hope for a delayed expansion so I can have more time to experience those instances, seeing how I've missed out on so much of this game already lol. Thanks for the pep, and I'll keep chuggin along trying to catch you guys, im entirely too jealous of the whole "4/5 + 4/8 or 4/8 + sunwell" debate
Thanks Havok.
-Lath
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forgot to mention, our loot is based off DKP for non-tier items, roll on hyjal trash (due to the waves, we loss our first hammer of judgment cuz of a wipe on Az) need main spec greed offspec, and officer loot council for tier items.
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07/16/08, 4:14 PM
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#1705
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Mercurial Rapper
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Originally Posted by havoklimit
What kind of numbers are you T6 + haste moonkins putting out? If it's not significantly more than what I've been seeing with my 4T5 + 4T6, I doubt I will be taking any pieces until all of the mages/warlocks have had their pick.
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I've got a decent amount of t6+haste (no t5 availability for me), and in the few times I've done 25-man moonkin raiding, I don't think I ever broke 2k dps, even with a couple heroisms. I was on track for it on gorefiend (but then got marked for ghost duty, BAH). If I can pick up a grand magister's staff I'll probably hit BT moonkin again and see how it goes.
But yeah, it really looks like 4t5+4t6 is very hard to beat unless you've got many best-in-slot-ish items.
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07/16/08, 11:37 PM
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#1706
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King Hippo
Orc Hunter
Tarren Mill (EU)
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Recently we've been a bit low on ranged dps so I've jumped in to help with my offspec oomkin gear, fairly respectable and all but it means I'm quite new to this. So I'm looking around on where to improve, not looking for specific advice on gear pieces here, but I downloaded both this spreadsheet and tried out Rawr.
Spreadsheet: I've used the rogue gear spreadsheet, which calculates dps and all that and it has the wonderful functionality of sorting all gear pieces in each section by dps value. This really helps and makes it easy to get a quick overview of upgrades.
As I understand it with this spreadsheet you will have to try out all the items you think could be upgrades and then figure out which one is the best? Just seems like a lot of work, have you considered doing something like the rogue gear spreadsheet? It would, in my humble opinion, increase the value of the spreadsheet by quite a lot. At least for new people like me.
Rawr: It seems completely broken, it suggested that I should use healing items (possibly a good thing, sure) but then socket it with +11 heal / 2 mp5 and that's where things just started to seem wrong. It even suggested I use an item with a +10 int gem in it.
Specific examples - it suggests to me that I'd be best off putting +10 int/spirit gems in Anetheron's Noose over 2 x +12 dmg gems. It also suggests that [Brooch of the Highborne] is approx 15% better than [Loop of Cursed Bones] and that [Pendant of the Violet Eye] is the third best upgrade available to me, being 20% better than [The Skull of Gul'dan].
So yeah what I'm trying to say is that it seems me that Rawr utterly and horribly broken. Am I wrong? From what I've read in this thread and seen on peoples profiles, I don't seem to be noticing a lot of +int and +spirit gems
PS: Sorry for the messy formatting of the post, seems a bit staccato.
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07/16/08, 11:51 PM
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#1707
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Happy October 19th!
Night Elf Druid
Dragonblight
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Originally Posted by Whitemane
So yeah what I'm trying to say is that it seems me that Rawr utterly and horribly broken. Am I wrong? From what I've read in this thread and seen on peoples profiles, I don't seem to be noticing a lot of +int and +spirit gems
PS: Sorry for the messy formatting of the post, seems a bit staccato.
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Simply, yes. I'd suggest looking at the options, buffs, etc. frames in rawr, and making sure it's accurate. Likely, you're not telling Rawr that you have a Spriest in your group, that you're chain-potting, and that you give yourself an Innervate every cooldown. Rawr sees this, notices that anything that gives you mana will greatly increase the absolute damage you can do, and advises you accordingly. Other than that, there are in fact a few healing items which are worth much more than they seem, because of the large amount of haste on them.
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07/17/08, 8:39 AM
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#1708
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by Adoriele
Simply, yes. I'd suggest looking at the options, buffs, etc. frames in rawr, and making sure it's accurate. Likely, you're not telling Rawr that you have a Spriest in your group, that you're chain-potting, and that you give yourself an Innervate every cooldown. Rawr sees this, notices that anything that gives you mana will greatly increase the absolute damage you can do, and advises you accordingly. Other than that, there are in fact a few healing items which are worth much more than they seem, because of the large amount of haste on them.
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There's also an option where you can force it to ignore mana concerns, if you're _really_ convinced that your mana regen is sufficient to last the fight. Tell it to sort by Raw DPS instead, and you'll see the items sorted by damage increase in an infinite-mana situation. You will want to be careful with this, though, because it can come back to bite you if you take too much direct-damage gear and ignore regen completely.
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07/17/08, 5:00 PM
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#1709
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Glass Joe
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Quick question, my guild is just starting attempts on Brutallus. I was wondering if I should be using Insect Swarm for the 3% reduced hit chance. My problem is that I have stacked the appropriate haste for my +dmg and I also have 2 piece t6 wit the extended time on moonfire. Implementing IS into my rotation would most likely cause me to have to drop moonfire and therefore lowering my dps by a significant amount. So is it worth using IS for the reduced hit? Any feedback is appreciated.
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07/17/08, 7:12 PM
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#1710
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Mercurial Rapper
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If you're having tank gib issues, I'd use it. Especially during stomps.
I don't see why it would cause you to drop MF though. Dropping MF will just lower your dps, especially with 2 piece tier 6.
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