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07/25/08, 8:51 PM
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#1756
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Tichondrius
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Ok, I'm afraid im having a bit of trouble with the spreadsheet, and im not sure why. I've been playing with moonkin just recently, its not my main spec, and i dont have much decent gear. I have 1200 unbuffed damage, with 80 spell haste. I enter my gear in the spreadsheet, it tells me i should be able to do around 1400 dps. So far so good. Thats close to what i got on Gorefiend last night. The part i dont understand is when i start telling it i have more +haste gems or gear. The more haste i say i have the lower it says my dps should be, even when the +damage stays the same. I replace 1 + 12 damage gem with a + 10 haste, and i loose 6 dps. Or i tell it i have 200 haste instead of 80 and i loose 70 dps. I'm not sure where im going wrong. Anyone help?
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07/25/08, 11:25 PM
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#1757
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Piston Honda
Tauren Druid
Dragonblight
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Go the the Character Sheet & Buffs tab. Look at the custom rotation (assuming it's your highest DPS). If the DOT ratio numbers are below 1.00 you need to pad more Starfires in due to your haste, or else it will calculate the DPS lost by clipping your DOTs.
For example, you might start at 11 SF, 2 MF and then after some haste you'll need to be at 17 SF, 3 MF.
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"Electronic communities build nothing. You wind up with nothing. We are dancing animals. How beautiful it is to get up and go out and do something." - Kurt Vonnegut
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07/26/08, 2:55 PM
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#1758
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Crushridge
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Originally Posted by Efejel
You give up 20 hit on the T6 pants to gain 12 hit from the T6 gloves--you're still gonna be well over the 152 cap.
The net stat differential for going with T6 gloves & T5 pants is:
+2 sta, -9 int, -2 spi, -8 hit, +2 crit, -3 dmg, +7 mp5 & {YS: 2 dmg}
The socket is obviously the biggest deal there, netting you 10 haste & 2 dmg or 5 haste & 8 dmg...
Out of curiosity, what trinkets were you running?
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Alright, I put an epic gem in my t5 pants and I'll try out running T5 head/shoulders/chest/legs next reset.
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07/30/08, 6:51 AM
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#1759
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Hellfire (EU)
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A question. How is yours dps on Kj? We are trying him for 3rd night, and my dps seems to be pathetic due to all starfire pushbacks out there, i got a shaman earth shielding me, but its still a lot of pushback out there. I was thinking of picking Celestial Focus and wrathing, but i guess the result will be about the same. Any ideas about it?
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07/30/08, 2:44 PM
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#1760
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Deathwing
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So I am currently raiding in SWP with 4pc T6 (belt/boots/chest/bracers) and 4pc T5(shoulders/legs/helm....and yes, the crappy gloves).
Last night I hit 1835 dps on Brutallus with 1 heroicism, and me and another user both using Drums of War +1 destro pot, I also received one burn.
My numbers were somewhat deflated b/c I hit 27% starfire crits (and I should really be hitting around 31-32% if not higher). I think in my current gear I could get closer to 1900 if I didn't receive any burns and at least broke even on my starfire crit %.
*There are still plenty of areas my gear could use upgrading (weapon esp, neck, rings, trinkets). The weapon is the most pertinent one atm.
*I am currently trying to get the t5 chest and t6 gloves to up my damage. (should increase dps by ~40 and improve +hit by 1%)
*Atm I never go spell hit capped if I'm with an elemental shammy
I think the most depressing thing about the brutallus run was that I was 13th! on the damage meter despite ~1850 dps. I am guessing the only way I'll break the top 10 is if I break 2000.
The World of Warcraft Armory
I'll admit I'm a little jealous that there is a boomkin w/ 2051 dps out there.
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07/30/08, 5:07 PM
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#1761
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Glass Joe
Tauren Druid
Stormreaver (EU)
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I'm curious, what if let's say you don't get a shadowpriest. Would spell dmg and crit / pure 12 spell dmg better then? for Moonkin? I have 260 spell haste currently, and I can tell if I don't get spriest I'm gonna run oom sooner or later... :-/
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07/30/08, 5:13 PM
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#1762
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Happy October 19th!
Night Elf Druid
Dragonblight
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Originally Posted by Janne12
I'm curious, what if let's say you don't get a shadowpriest. Would spell dmg and crit / pure 12 spell dmg better then? for Moonkin? I have 260 spell haste currently, and I can tell if I don't get spriest I'm gonna run oom sooner or later... :-/
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All of the calculations for spell damage, haste, crit, hit, etc. assume you have no mana issues. If you do, mana regen trumps everything. It does not, however, change their relationship substantially. Yes, there is the possibility that gemming a 12 damage gem means you don't go OOM while a haste/damage gem means you do, but that's such a narrow line to ride that I'd suggest you still need to work out your mana issues.
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07/31/08, 4:35 AM
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#1763
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Druid
Emerald Dream (EU)
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Hi,
Firstly, I'd like to thanks Efejel and all the others here for the great job done, u've improved my Moonkin a lot!
Second, I have a problem with downloading the spreadsheet from FileFront. The download fails all the time. Is there a known solution, or another way I can get the file?
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07/31/08, 4:55 AM
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#1764
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Piston Honda
Tauren Druid
Dragonblight
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Go to this post (the link takes you to a specific post on pg 66, but the text makes me look like I'm being a smartass--I'm not!): http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t11582-d...66/#post796650
Make sure you're signed in, and you should be able to directly download from EJ. If I ever get MS Office working again an update may follow which will also be added to EJ after it's been up on FileFront for a day or two.
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"Electronic communities build nothing. You wind up with nothing. We are dancing animals. How beautiful it is to get up and go out and do something." - Kurt Vonnegut
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07/31/08, 8:19 AM
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#1765
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Druid
Emerald Dream (EU)
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Thanks Ef 
few more questions, it says that my optimal cycle will be MFX2, SFX9 - What does that mean? That I should cast 2 MF and than 9 SF and over again?
And doesn't that cycle take into account the debuff from IS for example? Or the buff from the MF idol ( Idol of the Unseen Moon - Item - World of Warcraft)
And another thing, I've read somewhere (on u'r post) that idol swapping macros are no longer useful, which I've noticed myself, but I'm not sure why?
EDIT: And would u recommend using FF if there are no ferals on the raid?
Last edited by Angelfire : 07/31/08 at 8:27 AM.
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07/31/08, 9:20 AM
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#1766
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Great Tiger
Night Elf Druid
Echo Isles
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Originally Posted by Angelfire
Thanks Ef 
few more questions, it says that my optimal cycle will be MFX2, SFX9 - What does that mean? That I should cast 2 MF and than 9 SF and over again?
And doesn't that cycle take into account the debuff from IS for example? Or the buff from the MF idol ( Idol of the Unseen Moon - Item - World of Warcraft)
And another thing, I've read somewhere (on u'r post) that idol swapping macros are no longer useful, which I've noticed myself, but I'm not sure why?
EDIT: And would u recommend using FF if there are no ferals on the raid?
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2MF 9SF means refresh MF whenever it is down, but without clipping. It is saying that your haste/crit usually means either 4 or 5 SF's between MF refreshes (This is answered in FAQ on first post).
Ef's spreadsheet doesn't value the IS debuff. One way to value it would be as 2% of the direct damage that your tank takes (or think of it as 2% of your MT healing load). If your raid needs three, full-time healers on the MT, IS alone is worth 6% of a raid member. Whether this analysis is valid depend on lots of "stuff."
I don't think Ef includes Unseen Moon. If you have four or more SF for each MF, the SF idol (Moongoddess) will be better. The Raven Goddess may be better than both, depending on how crit-happy your party is.
Idol-swapping is pretty much killed because it
- Appears to have a 1.5s cooldown, even if you have haste.
- Will cancel a cast in progress, so you can no longer equip Moongoddess while SF cast is in progress.
If Boss has 8000 armor (possible, may be less) and your physical damage people have no armor penetration, FF is about a 3.3% boost to their direct damage. That number goes up as the boss's armor-penetration goes down. FF costs you about 3.8% of your DPS (1.5s/40s). Unless your DPS is about as high as all of your raid's physical dps, combined, you should make sure FF is on the boss.
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07/31/08, 10:00 AM
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#1767
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Druid
Emerald Dream (EU)
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OK, thank you.
Sorry if I'm being noobish, but haven't quite gotten the use of the spreadsheet yet...
I'm trying to decide on a weapon, where my choices are Scryer's Blade of Focus - Item - World of Warcraft, Hammer of Judgement - Item - World of Warcraft, Wub's Cursed Hexblade - Item - World of Warcraft, Amani Punisher - Item - World of Warcraft, Amani Divining Staff - Item - World of Warcraft, or Nathrezim Mindblade - Item - World of Warcraft. My only off-hand atm is Talisman of Nightbane - Item - World of Warcraft.
Assuming I'm hit capped, which would u recommend? And if it'd be the two-hander, how would u gem it?
I would guess (and it's supported by my fibble attempts with the spreadsheet) that the order would be Blade of Focus -> Hammer of Judgement -> (and that's when the spreadsheet disagrees with me) Divining Staff -> HexBlade -> Amani Punisher -> Mindblade.
The order that the spreadsheet thinks it should be is Blade of Focus -> Hammer of Judgement -> HexBlade -> Amani Punisher -> Divining Staff -> Mindblade.
What do you think?
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07/31/08, 10:38 AM
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#1768
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Happy October 19th!
Night Elf Druid
Dragonblight
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Originally Posted by Angelfire
OK, thank you.
Sorry if I'm being noobish, but haven't quite gotten the use of the spreadsheet yet...
I'm trying to decide on a weapon, where my choices are Scryer's Blade of Focus - Item - World of Warcraft, Hammer of Judgement - Item - World of Warcraft, Wub's Cursed Hexblade - Item - World of Warcraft, Amani Punisher - Item - World of Warcraft, Amani Divining Staff - Item - World of Warcraft, or Nathrezim Mindblade - Item - World of Warcraft. My only off-hand atm is Talisman of Nightbane - Item - World of Warcraft.
Assuming I'm hit capped, which would u recommend? And if it'd be the two-hander, how would u gem it?
I would guess (and it's supported by my fibble attempts with the spreadsheet) that the order would be Blade of Focus -> Hammer of Judgement -> (and that's when the spreadsheet disagrees with me) Divining Staff -> HexBlade -> Amani Punisher -> Mindblade.
The order that the spreadsheet thinks it should be is Blade of Focus -> Hammer of Judgement -> HexBlade -> Amani Punisher -> Divining Staff -> Mindblade.
What do you think?
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A lot of it's going to depend on how you gem the staff. Looking at your armory, you're right near the edge of when you want to start gemming haste (and probably pass it when raiding), so you're going to want at least a Runed and a Reckless in there, and since you have no Meta you should slot the blue with one of those as well. You may also get away with all Reckless. Speaking of, get yourself a helm with a Meta slot, CSD is an incredible gem. You're also going to want to regem pretty much all of your gear, as you're wasting quite a lot by what seems like haphazard gemming. Gem Veiled in all red or yellow slots until you're capped, then either Runed or Reckless (or a mix of both) in the rest, keeping two blue slots for Glowings to activate the Meta.
You may also want to look into RAWR, it can give you a lot of insight with its optimizer.
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07/31/08, 11:20 AM
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#1769
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by Erdluf
If Boss has 8000 armor (possible, may be less) and your physical damage people have no armor penetration, FF is about a 3.3% boost to their direct damage. That number goes up as the boss's armor-penetration goes down. FF costs you about 3.8% of your DPS (1.5s/40s). Unless your DPS is about as high as all of your raid's physical dps, combined, you should make sure FF is on the boss.
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Additionally if anyone is ever threat capped for any reason, FF is a net DPS gain for those individuals as well due to tank threat. Armor Pen is an extremely strong threat stat for warrior tanks in particular.
RE: Angelfire: To go along with what Adoriele said, I would suggest a cheap badge expenditure on the Fetish of the Primal Gods. It is significantly better than the Nightbane offhand and a cheap way to start building your haste level up.
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07/31/08, 11:46 AM
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#1770
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Druid
Emerald Dream (EU)
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OK, reading your comments here makes me think I'm way off on enchants, gear and gem selection...
What should be my priorities?
The way I do it now, is Speel Damage -> Crit (after I'm hit capped of course), with a side of Int and Stam where possible. That's why I gemmed the way I did, and that's why I don't have any haste rating, nor the Fetish of the Primal Gods. You're now saying I should change direction, abandon Crit and go for Haste instead? And what would you recommend for a Meta helm? And what would be an optimal +dmg/Crit/Haste rating for my level (Late SSC/TK)?
And what about trinkets? I have pretty much all relevant trinkets I think (other than the ZA one), which are the best do u think?
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