Moonkin DPS Spreadsheet - Page 19

Caliane · 09/15/07, 11:14 AM

You cant go wrong with the areana gear or wyrmhide.

If you wanted to get the cloth nonset, silk would be the better choice likely.
I would still take wyrmhide personally however. The armor on those peices is pretty high as well.

Disbeliever · 09/15/07, 7:56 PM

Originally Posted by Caliane

I would suspect you are very much fudging your numbers a bit.
When making these theoretical predictions, and actual in game numbers, the fact is, spellcrit costs more then spell damage per dps increase. You can look at gems to see 9 damage is equal to 8 crit in itemvalue, or 12 damage is equal to 10 spell crit.
Take those values and put them into the dps spreadsheet and you will find 12 spell damage is most certianly worth a good deal more then 10 spell crit in DPS.
These values are true for all gear at the zero value.
Granted as a piece of gear gets more and more of one stat, the price of adding more of that one stat increases, and such adding a second stat becomes more valuable.

For example, brute-cloak of the ogri magi 21 spell crit/28 spell damage. Royal cloak of the sunstriders. 44 spell damage. Similar int values. There is an inherent item level differance.
But this is the example. The 13 level higher royal cloak has 16 more damage vs the 21 spell crit of the brute-cloak. Despite the level differance, and the fact spell damage is inherently cheaper per dps gain, the cost of increasing the spell damage scaled up to a point where, it is questionable to which is actually better for you. In fact, the brute-cloak is likely better for most individuals with high spell damage.

no i am not fudging my dmg...

crit is just better in many ways. especially becuase of the -0.5 sec casting time.
The 100% extra dmg on crits...
if you max out hit and then build on crit you get more dmg then if you max out hit and building on +dmg.... I have done it on dr Boom in netherstorm and crit beats dmg.

Dexter · 09/16/07, 2:06 PM

I know this isn't exactly the proper thread, but figured this would be a good place to turn to. Can someone take a look at my armory and the WWS I'll link and give me some feedback, please? I just don't seem to be doing as much DPS as I think I should be. Any tips/advice on things to change would be great.

My normal rotation is IS, SFx4, but I've been toying around with IS, MF, SFx3. I apply IFF when it's up, and drop treants when I can. Our CoS lock has 3/3 Malediction and is pretty good about maintaining 100% uptime. Usually I don't have to worry about a brez, but occasionally I do have to use it, and unfortunately I don't get our SPriest when he's in the raid. Consumable use is Adept's, Draenic Wisdom, Basilisk food, and Wizard Oil (either Brilliant or Superior).

Our guild has Gruul on farm and are working on Mag and Lurker, but due to schedules we don't get too many attempts per week. I still run Kara weekly for a few pieces I would still like to get, such as the dagger and cloak from Prince, the boots from Maiden, and the gloves from Attumen.

Armory link

WWS parse - Gruul's Lair

Thanks in advance!!

Nerfy · 09/16/07, 3:55 PM

your not listed on that WWS unless your linking someone else's armory or something.

Dexter · 09/16/07, 4:25 PM

Originally Posted by Nerfy

your not listed on that WWS unless your linking someone else's armory or something.

Since it's an anonymous listing, I'm on there as "Cumulus", the only balance druid in the listing.

Nerfy · 09/16/07, 11:39 PM

Well just from looking at it your doing wrath 44% of the time. I know that I used to use it on the trash because I was lazy and liked the short cast time but theres only like 5 or 6 trash pulls in there so as far as I can tell your doing too much wrath. Try using the dmg caculator in the first post in this thread...it will give you some of the best possible DPS cycles based on your gear and will take out a lot of your confusion. I had a lot less +dmg and +hit then you when I was still doing gruul's and I was still able to do at least 700ish dps back then...with and w/o a shadow priest.

Dexter · 09/17/07, 1:13 AM

Well, if you were to look at the individual boss fights, the bulk of my wrath casts came from trash and Maulgar (Kiggler tanking).

My main concerns come on Gruul himself. Granted there is a good bit of downtime due to reverbs, and the ground slam/shatter periods, but from looking at other peoples WWS posts and seeing their gear, and also from the numbers the spreadsheet gives me I just feel like I'm doing something wrong as my DPS output doesn't compare to the ballpark the spreadsheet/WWS parses say I should be in.

Again, thanks for the input! =)

Spink · 09/17/07, 1:39 AM

Hi Efejel,

I've recently been testing using Improved Faerie Fire over Intensity but would like to be able to see how it effects my dps on the spreadsheet.

I've been looking through the spreadsheet and found that there is data on Faerie Fire in there but I can't work out how to add an additional set of cast cycles that include Faerie Fire in order to evaluate the kind of cast cycle I'd be wanting to use with a 145 mana 0 damage GCD every ~40 seconds or if there'd be some way to simulate it's use by boosting my latency artificially?

tecate · 09/17/07, 1:53 AM

Ive been a moonkin for awhile now, and i love it to death.

I was wanting you guys to check our raid WWS and let me know how im doin.

I only have 1/2 BoP, and 3/5 Sub, so i could get Imp FF.

Lurker Kill (My best looking one heh)

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Armory: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kael'thas&n=Danelle
Thanks in advanced.

We normally run a thunderchicken, manabattery and 3 fireball slingers as our kill grp.

Benita · 09/17/07, 4:42 AM

Originally Posted by Dexter

Well, if you were to look at the individual boss fights, the bulk of my wrath casts came from trash and Maulgar (Kiggler tanking).

My main concerns come on Gruul himself. Granted there is a good bit of downtime due to reverbs, and the ground slam/shatter periods, but from looking at other peoples WWS posts and seeing their gear, and also from the numbers the spreadsheet gives me I just feel like I'm doing something wrong as my DPS output doesn't compare to the ballpark the spreadsheet/WWS parses say I should be in.

Again, thanks for the input! =)

From your WWS it seems that in average your casts deal this much damage.

Starfire: 2.4k
Insect Swarm: 1.2k
Moonfire: 2.1k

Now Starfire is of course not a 1.5sec cast, so its about at the IS level, a bit higher due to Natures Grace.
You dont nearly do enough Moonfire, given that you dont have mana problems (no pot used, not even the apexis shard stuff). Moonfire is not only almost twice as much damage as IS, it also triggers Natures Grace with +10% crit due to the talent which is not in the average damage i posted there. Overall it is the highest dps cast for Druids.
You used 1 Force of Nature, while 3 wouldve been possible in that fight, tho granted that is not the most friendly fight for melee adds with only a few hp.
An encounter specific thing on Gruul would be to renew Moonfire and Insect Swarm after the Ground Slam. You got time enough to trigger Barkskin and strafe to a spot while renewing dots. The NG proc of that Moonfire isnt even wasted as it holds for 15sec, which should be enough time to get a Starfire in after the Shatter.

Benita · 09/17/07, 5:03 AM

Originally Posted by tecate

I was wanting you guys to check our raid WWS and let me know how im doin.

I only have 1/2 BoP, and 3/5 Sub, so i could get Imp FF.

We normally run a thunderchicken, manabattery and 3 fireball slingers as our kill grp.

That sounds wrong. You run with 136 hit rating, 1/2 BoP and some of your Noble Topaz are Potent and not Veiled. Hit>everything else until you reach 151 with 2/2 BoP.

Also if you usually have a spriest then rather drop Intensity for Imp FF, you can always make up for the lost mp5 with using more pots. If you dont have any threat problems due to very good tanks or low damage, rather drop 3 in Subtlety than anything in BoP, dropping both seems contraproductive unless you are playing on the limit 24/7 as it is or have good extra spellhit gear banked.

Dexter · 09/17/07, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Benita

From your WWS it seems that in average your casts deal this much damage.

Starfire: 2.4k
Insect Swarm: 1.2k
Moonfire: 2.1k

Now Starfire is of course not a 1.5sec cast, so its about at the IS level, a bit higher due to Natures Grace.
You dont nearly do enough Moonfire, given that you dont have mana problems (no pot used, not even the apexis shard stuff). Moonfire is not only almost twice as much damage as IS, it also triggers Natures Grace with +10% crit due to the talent which is not in the average damage i posted there. Overall it is the highest dps cast for Druids.
You used 1 Force of Nature, while 3 wouldve been possible in that fight, tho granted that is not the most friendly fight for melee adds with only a few hp.
An encounter specific thing on Gruul would be to renew Moonfire and Insect Swarm after the Ground Slam. You got time enough to trigger Barkskin and strafe to a spot while renewing dots. The NG proc of that Moonfire isnt even wasted as it holds for 15sec, which should be enough time to get a Starfire in after the Shatter.

Thanks for the feedback! I generally do try to throw IS/MF on before I scurry to a spot for ground slam/shatter, but will definitely be more proactive in trying to keep MF up the whole fight. I've just gotten so used to IS, SFx4 rotation that I forget to throw MF on, but will switch to a IS, MF, SFx3 rotation and hopefully that will push my numbers up to where they could/should be.

One more thing - would I be better served dropping Adept's/DWisdom for Flask of Supreme Power?

Caliane · 09/17/07, 3:32 PM

Originally Posted by Dexter

One more thing - would I be better served dropping Adept's/DWisdom for Flask of Supreme Power?

Technically, most dps spreadsheets show supreme power edging out adepts/dwisdom. But its pretty close. And the elixers are cheaper, and do give a bit of extra utility in terms of more mana/regen should you need to do resing/healing.
I use the elixers.

Blinding light however next patch. I will probably make the conversion over to.

Efejel · 09/19/07, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by Spink

Hi Efejel,

I've recently been testing using Improved Faerie Fire over Intensity but would like to be able to see how it effects my dps on the spreadsheet.

I've been looking through the spreadsheet and found that there is data on Faerie Fire in there but I can't work out how to add an additional set of cast cycles that include Faerie Fire in order to evaluate the kind of cast cycle I'd be wanting to use with a 145 mana 0 damage GCD every ~40 seconds or if there'd be some way to simulate it's use by boosting my latency artificially?

If you found what little is in there, you're probably almost as close to implementing it as I am.

Sorry, basically just need to treat it as taking 1.5 + latency + (chance to resist * 1.5) seconds per 40 seconds. Assuming that's less than 2 sec, and there aren't "dead spots" in the fight where you can drop it in without costing yourself other casts, then it's somewhere near a 5% DPS drop. (2/40 = 5%)

tecate · 09/24/07, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by Benita

That sounds wrong. You run with 136 hit rating, 1/2 BoP and some of your Noble Topaz are Potent and not Veiled. Hit>everything else until you reach 151 with 2/2 BoP.

Also if you usually have a spriest then rather drop Intensity for Imp FF, you can always make up for the lost mp5 with using more pots. If you dont have any threat problems due to very good tanks or low damage, rather drop 3 in Subtlety than anything in BoP, dropping both seems contraproductive unless you are playing on the limit 24/7 as it is or have good extra spellhit gear banked.

Alrighty, i took some of your advice.

I am sitting at 147hit now wiht 2/2BoP, i have 5/5 sub still because i still get threat capped in some fights.

I still use 3/3 intensity because our priests are subpar.
Here is our latest Leo kill: Wow Web Stats
Now, am i just paying attn really well, or do our other dps really suck? I should defiantly not top the meters.

Please let me know how it looks now. Thanks