Moonkin DPS Spreadsheet - Page 25

Allurissa · 10/18/07, 9:09 AM

Thanks for the advice Saraya. You'll notice we don't have an elemental shaman on our WWS reports. I'm fairly positive we only have two shamans in the guild, both Resto build. We also only have 2 shadow priests in the guild, neither of whom are really geared well enough for SSC/Eye.

I do use my Alchemist Stone during longer, mana intensive boss fights, so I'll get better about chugging pots and try rotating to the more mana cast cycle to see what happens. Our guild is on the PTR where I have used my new build, so we'll see what happens in ZA with the changes to intensity.

Anyone else have any advice that could help?

Vandiego · 10/18/07, 12:45 PM

Decided to stop trolling and actually post for once. I put my gear into the spreadsheet with my custom, ISx1 MFx1 SFx3 and am pulling down a final value of 100+ dps above my greatest attempt to date. Now obviously this doesn't allow for any movement or deviation from the cycle, I am just curious if anyone has been able to attain or come close to their projected maximum dps?

Caliane · 10/18/07, 1:12 PM

Originally Posted by Vandiego

Decided to stop trolling and actually post for once. I put my gear into the spreadsheet with my custom, ISx1 MFx1 SFx3 and am pulling down a final value of 100+ dps above my greatest attempt to date. Now obviously this doesn't allow for any movement or deviation from the cycle, I am just curious if anyone has been able to attain or come close to their projected maximum dps?

Make sure you set all the variables as close to real as you can.

Are you factoring ff in your rotations?
1 1.5s global every 40s is 3.7% total dps reduction.

Latency, movenment, interrupts, any offhealing.

When these are factored in, my dps is very close to projected.

Vandiego · 10/18/07, 1:37 PM

Originally Posted by Caliane

Make sure you set all the variables as close to real as you can.

Are you factoring ff in your rotations?
1 1.5s global every 40s is 3.7% total dps reduction.

Latency, movenment, interrupts, any offhealing.

When these are factored in, my dps is very close to projected.

I'm not iFF duty, we run with 2 balance druids occasionally. I was considering switching to a straight SF only rotation when he is in the lineup as well. Since I'll still achieve the extra 10% from his debuffs.

I am curious though as to what your dps spreadsheet value is in comparison to your real time numbers. You and I should be almost dead even with only party buffs coming into play.

My other thought is if as you stated moving around significantly decreases our dps output, at what point would crit and haste begin to truly shine? A simple argument of Potential Damage vs Practical Damage.

Localo · 10/18/07, 2:03 PM

I have used your spreadsheet fr a couple of months now and ir really like it, during this time i have however found a few minor errors. Im not sure if i can fix it myself(i am far from a computer wiz).
First off, Magnified Moonspecs are missing a socket.
Second, the Yellow Gem - Brilliant Lions Eye - says it adds 10hit(it should say 10int). Now the gem adds intellect and not spell hit, but it seems to add only 5 intellect instead of 10.

I now have a simple question. Will you be updating the item database with the items from patch 2.3 and the Hyjal Summit spelldamage mace? Since there is alot of gear that can change the outcome of the whole boomkin community, and i for one would love to experiment with it. If your answer is NO, is there some simple way for myself to add teh items?

Thanks

P.s. Love the spreadsheet

Caliane · 10/18/07, 2:53 PM

Originally Posted by Localo

I have used your spreadsheet fr a couple of months now and ir really like it, during this time i have however found a few minor errors. Im not sure if i can fix it myself(i am far from a computer wiz).
First off, Magnified Moonspecs are missing a socket.
Second, the Yellow Gem - Brilliant Lions Eye - says it adds 10hit(it should say 10int). Now the gem adds intellect and not spell hit, but it seems to add only 5 intellect instead of 10.

I now have a simple question. Will you be updating the item database with the items from patch 2.3 and the Hyjal Summit spelldamage mace? Since there is alot of gear that can change the outcome of the whole boomkin community, and i for one would love to experiment with it. If your answer is NO, is there some simple way for myself to add teh items?

Thanks

P.s. Love the spreadsheet

Yes, he said how a while back.

Simply, go up to "Format".
Choose "Sheet"_> Unhide.

Then choose which sheet you want to add the item too.
Weapons in your case.

"Insert" a line where the weapon should be. For ease, make sure it is not the first or the last enter. That will cause problems.
Add the stats and name.
For, weapons be sure to label 1 or 2 hand.

Efejel · 10/19/07, 1:39 AM

As Caliane has mentioned, there are directions in the thread (the short & sweet version above should get you going) for adding your own items. I do, however, intend to add all the relevant post-BC loot that I can keep up with. If you see anything missing in the latest build please provide a Wowhead link or you can use EJ's ultra-cool [ item ] Item Name [ /item] (no spaces) if you know the exact name.

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Localo · 10/19/07, 7:55 AM

Thanks alot ill add the items then

let the games begin ^^

btw i was looking at alot of the rotations people have and i have tried alot of them, but i dont see how they can stay in a fight with those rotations for very long cause they all seem to eat away at your mana :/

I tried all kinds of rotations like "IS x1, MF x1, SF x1, Wr x1, SF x2" or "IS x1 MFx1 SFx3"

All of these are nice since you basicly re apply dots as son as possible, but even if you use mana pots and innervate you are pretty much out of mana just when the fights get tough.

I normaly go with a totaly random rotation on trash(all depending on how fast the mob will go down), but for boss fights, the one "safe" rotation that can keep be going thru a whole fight(if i dont heal) and keep me around top 5 dpsers is the one recommended in the spreadsheet "MF x1, SF x5 MF x1 SF x6" also i use some nice "while not casting" mp5 ticks when i have used my innervate, just to make sure i wont go oom to soon and still not loose any dps.

My guild just started to raid Hyjal and BT, and so far i allways get a shadowpriest and an elemental shammy(The A-Team) and its working great, but with this rotation it all comes down to if i am lucky with crits or not.

Thermomenes · 10/19/07, 9:08 AM

Originally Posted by Efejel

Known "To Do" list:
Add new cloth gear
Attempt to make spreadsheet mp5 match in-game mp5

If I am the only one reporting the mp5 not matching, cross it off your to-do list. I have made several spreadsheets using the gamma release and cannot recreate the mp5 mismatch i reported earlier. Seems fine now. Chalk it up to user input error.

EDIT: Also, if you want, I already input the cloth items, weapons, and rings/trinkets if you want me to repost your gamma release to you. Might save you time. The only issue I ran into inputting the new items is the new [Signet of Ancient Magics]. It has a socket and the spreadsheet isn't built to accommodate rings with sockets.

Vandiego · 10/19/07, 10:23 AM

You win Caline. (: On my best attempt I peaked at 1568 dps on Teron and and died at 1499.1. Just used a MFx1 SFx3, I'd squeeze in a wrath at the end if I got grace or focus procs. Thanks for the idea.

Efejel · 10/19/07, 1:39 PM

Originally Posted by Thermomenes

If I am the only one reporting the mp5 not matching, cross it off your to-do list. I have made several spreadsheets using the gamma release and cannot recreate the mp5 mismatch i reported earlier. Seems fine now. Chalk it up to user input error.

EDIT: Also, if you want, I already input the cloth items, weapons, and rings/trinkets if you want me to repost your gamma release to you. Might save you time. The only issue I ran into inputting the new items is the new [Signet of Ancient Magics]. It has a socket and the spreadsheet isn't built to accommodate rings with sockets.

Thanks Thermo. I'm glad the mp5 error may have cleared up, and I won't chalk it up to user error--probably just ghosts in the machine. I also appreciate the offer for the updated spreadsheet. Someone else has volunteered as well, but whomever is interested. Upload somewhere & PM me a link or you may be able to find my e-mail address here.

As for the ring--it's a semi-known problem that rings can have sockets, but to this point the only ones that did were utter crap at level 70. I'll think about going through the motions to make rings socketable on the sheet now that demand has more than doubled!

♦ Lorewanderer · 10/19/07, 2:05 PM

Looking over some of the hidden sheets it looks like you're starting on this, but I'll suggest / strongly support (depending on its status I guess) making upgrade ratings visible.

Having a simple set of boxes giving weightings to the various stats would be wonderful beyond words. Pawn and to a lesser extent lootzor (if only they would implement haste ratings!) are things I use regularly to plan optimal upgrade paths.

My Excel-fu is not up to par, so I've been going into the equipment sheet and getting values for the weightings by adding to the manual entry cells and calculating the DPS changes on another spreadsheet. Not doing this every time I get an upgrade would be fantastic.

A very small note as well--I'm now on Malygos rather than Zul'Jin (and happily raiding as a moonkin finally!).

Efejel · 10/19/07, 2:48 PM

Thanks for the support/suggestion Lore. I've been hoping someone would take what I had started, find & fix any errors, and figure out a useful way to present the ratings. Unfortunately, that info has been around in the hidden sheets for the last couple of versions and no one has championed the cause yet.

I'm definately trying to figure it out. As of right now, I'm not particularly confident in the numbers I'm generating for the next-1 hit/crit/dmg... the values for hit are very low compared to every other prediction I've seen.

That being said, what other stats would you value? Haste might be a good one, but I would be surprised if the numbers from +1 haste had a lot of insight. Int and Spirit, and perhaps mp5 give me the same feeling--+1 is too small a margin to make accurate predictions from. Maybe I'll move to a +10 stat = +N DPS style?

P.S.-Grats on the transfer/raiding opportunity!

♦ Lorewanderer · 10/19/07, 5:11 PM

For my weightings I've been doing a very imprecise hand-waving weighted of average of 5, 10, and 25 of each stat. I use 25 (occasionally 50 if I have the patience) as more of a trend/reality check and to figure out breakpoints between cycles.

The times I've been particularly ambitious I've tried to convert the rough weightings into DPS potential, but usually I just use +spellpower equivalence.

For lootzor I've been weighting all of the caster stats except haste. If I were to order the importance of knowing how to value them, I'd go damage, hit, crit, mp5, haste, int/spi.
Haste only falls to the end mainly because the items with static haste are pretty much unattainable to me until 2.3, and better than my current options even without factoring it in after that point.

Mp5 is the most frustrating stat for me at the moment. I'm not always in with a shadow priest or shaman (and rarely both), but I am at times. I don't yet have the breadth of gear to have two sets depending on the group, so I'm either mana-starved or wasting a good chunk of regen. Swapping food and oils helps somewhat, but it doesn't completely solve things.

It is too bad there aren't any mp5/damage gems readily available. I'd be all over those.

lherin · 10/19/07, 6:08 PM

I am curious about real world numbers as well. My guild has recently started T6 content and I wonder how I stack up with other moonkins at this level. They are so hard to find

Right now I seem to be cruising at around 1200dps or so.

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Is this about normal for 'real world results' given my gear? How are you other end-game moonkins finding haste? Worth it?

I'm just curious if I'm doing something wrong or if these are pretty much the 'expected' real world numbers.

Thanks.