Moonkin DPS Spreadsheet - Page 27

Vauk · 10/30/07, 1:02 PM

Originally Posted by Benita

The biggest problem this trinket has is that its not counting for the Starfire it procs on. Meaning you can get 2 Starfires on one proc or rather the 8sec are in maybe the worst timewindow possible. (I only tested this on the 2nd patch of the PTR, not sure if it got changed after that.)
The best use for this would be to get it to proc and then cast 2 Starfires plus MF. Im not sure where it would end up, because it would interfere with steady dps rotations. Overall it seemed weaker than blue 5 man trinkets in any rotation.

I agree. Once you hit a certain gear level (and because of raid buffs) MF, SFx4 is the best rotation. A trinket would have to be truly spectacular to make it worth it for you to change rotations.

• Adoriele · 10/30/07, 1:37 PM

Originally Posted by Vauk

66% uptime isn't taking into account chance to proc or the fact that the majortiy of the time that 3rd SF won't get the benifits from this. Remember that modifiers are calculated at spellcast not spellstart.

True, but if you're at the right point in your rotation, it will affect the IS or MF you add in.
Proc on the first SF after IS/MF : Affects 2 SFs (unless you're lucky)
Proc on the second: Affects 2SFs
Proc on the third: Affects 2 SFs and an instant.
Proc on the fourth: Affects 2 SFs and an instant.

So out of the four possible (assuming no overwrites) procs, half will affect 2 of your 5 casts, half will affect 3 of your 5, or on average you'll affect half of your casts, or about 75 spell damage, depending on your luck. You could tweak it to always use the last 2 seconds (or so) to cast an instant and increase its value, but as Benita said, I'm not sure how it would affect sustained DPS, as it's not nearly as mana-efficient.

Efejel · 10/30/07, 1:38 PM

So the consensus boss-trinket formula for Balance Druids seems to remain:
Darkmoon: Crusade (little movement) >= Eye of Mag > Icon otSC > Quag's Eye ~= Darkmoon: Crusade (much movement)

??

Vauk · 10/30/07, 1:42 PM

Can't comment on trinkets as mine are pretty mediocre but I do love the scryer bloodgem. +32 hit out a trinket slot really helps the lack of hit on tier 5.

Efejel · 10/30/07, 1:45 PM

Originally Posted by Vauk

Can't comment on trinkets as mine are pretty mediocre but I do love the scryer bloodgem. +32 hit out a trinket slot really helps the lack of hit on tier 5.

Yeah, I've been trying to figure out where to add Scryer's & the green equiv, Starkiller's Bauble. This is especially relevant since I've been spending most of my PvE time trying to nab Quag's Eye as a potential multi-purpose upgrade, but it could prove to be a trash-only upgrade (and a minor one at that).

Benita · 10/31/07, 6:55 AM

Originally Posted by Efejel

So the consensus boss-trinket formula for Balance Druids seems to remain:
Darkmoon: Crusade (little movement) >= Eye of Mag > Icon otSC > Quag's Eye ~= Darkmoon: Crusade (much movement)

??

I would add the Sextant in between Icon and Quag, but i dont have solid theorycrafting for that claim

I banked the Darkmoon card, because in the end it was wearing off alot. You have to put in alot of effort to keep it up, and with MF/4SF it takes ages to get it up again after it wore off.
Supremus, Mother, Illidan in BT and Azgalor, Archimonde in Hyjal are problematic, thats especially bad because its 4 of the harder fights even on farming status. Finding someone fast to combatres is another reason it can run out and i havent even thought about TK/SSC fights.

Was anyone able to build a heavy crit/dmg gear with Magtheridons eye? The extra 170 damage could make it worthwhile.

Caliane · 10/31/07, 3:15 PM

Mags eye is decent. personally Ill stick with nealths tear.

The new ZA trinket thats an upgraded icon will pretty much be the stanard trinket to get for balance druids. not het badge one.

Thermomenes · 11/01/07, 4:11 PM

I'm pondering the effect of downranking moonfire to get the effect of the Idol of the Unseen moon.

Might be a good addition to the spreadsheet to include an option for moonfire downranking to test mana sustainability with the new idol.

Caliane · 11/02/07, 3:10 PM

Why would you downrank?

Moonfire is your highest dps spell. The only problem with it, is the mana use. And given a newly improved mana regen from spirit, Im sure almost all druids will be able to afford it more.

lherin · 11/03/07, 8:56 AM

Don't forget you can charge the Crusade card with Faerie Fire. I can easily get in 2-3 of these during the 'establishing aggro' phase of a fight.

While my guild is working on bloodboil, I haven't had any trouble keeping up the buff on any fights except archimonde and sometimes supremus, depending on how your guild does him. On archimonde I swap it out anyway for the pvp trinket.

Thermomenes · 11/03/07, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Caliane

Why would you downrank?

Moonfire is your highest dps spell. The only problem with it, is the mana use. And given a newly improved mana regen from spirit, Im sure almost all druids will be able to afford it more.

For boss fights that isn't true unless you have a shadow priest in your group. If people wanted to use the new idol with no S-priest in group, downranking would be the only viable sustainable option. I'm talking about incorporating MF into a casting rotation for 10 minutes at a time or more. Usually MF kills your mana at 6-8 minutes with the new spirit regen.

Efejel · 11/04/07, 5:40 PM

0.72a - New version finally released, link to FileFront on first page. Will make available on first post directly soon.

v0.72a changes
-Added 2.3 projected gear from test realm - be wary of any changes made when 2.3 goes live
-Added BoP jewelcrafting gems
-Fixed various minor gear issues (typos, formatting, etc.)
-Added in-game coefficients section to "Talents" page for haste, intensity & mana spring changes
-Rings now support 1 socket each

v0.72b
-Added Chaotic Skyfire Diamond / Removed Relentless Earthstorm Diamond
-Corrected socket bonus on Illidari Shoulderpads
-Added Horseman's ring

v0.72c
-Corrected error on unbuffed mp5 with new Intensity constants
-Corrected stats for Mask of Primal Power & Robes of Oblivion
-Fixed incorrect text on Potent/Veiled Flame Spessarite

Valamere · 11/04/07, 11:28 PM

Cool, a new version is up!

Found at least one bug, unfortunately. Illidari Shoulderpads are listed as giving a +4sta bonus, whereas on my screen I'm seeing +4dmg bonus.

[Edit:] Also, there's no ring option for the new addition from the Headless Horseman, "The Horseman's Signet Ring"

Thanks for all your time and effort. The spreadsheet helps me a lot!

Efejel · 11/04/07, 11:42 PM

D'oh. Ok, updated locally & will be applied in future versions. You can edit your local copy (directions somewhere in this thread... maybe I'll find those and link them to the first post) or just add an "item" in the custom section that's -4 stam & +4 dmg.

Valamere · 11/04/07, 11:47 PM

Yep. I've found it easiest to fix stuff on those three slots on the bottom.

I figure it'd be nice to let you know what I'm editing, though, as long as you're putting in the time to make all this stuff.