This is kind of a nooby question, but since I've had horrendous luck on the Moongoddess Idol so far, I never really thought about swapping Idols. When setting up a Idol swap macro, would it simply be

/equip Wrath Idol
/cast Wrath

with a Starfire and Moonfire equivalent? Or is there something else I would need to do to make it work correctly.

Change it to:

and it will work just fine. If you equip before the cast it will cause an extra global cooldown.

Chaotic Skyfire Diamond - Items - World of Warcraft

Chaotic skyfire diamond needs to be added.
This 3% to crit damage does work with spell crit.

I dont think I can manually add that.

Anyone else use lootzor.com - World of Warcraft search and rate items - profile your wow character Was wondering what kinda ratings everyone else uses.

Just so folks know, I am keeping an eye on this thread (as if there could be any doubt!). Hopefully a letter increment to add the Chaotic Skyfire & fix the socket bonus & fix mana pots will be coming later during the week.

Also, it's looking like what I posted as 0.75alpha will be getting a bit more ratings type stuff (courtesy in large part to the work of Lorewander) and will be coming out as 0.80 at about the same time as 2.3 goes live (whenever that may be).

november 13th
2.3 live server
so it mean 1 week .. stress ?? :P

Well, I'd prefer to delay the release until AFTER 2.3 by a little while, so we can make sure we're not missing anything and nothing is changed from PTR. I'll target Nov 17, since I have a wedding to attend (not my own...) on the 18th.

I salute you for the obvious amount of blood/sweat/tears/time you have invested into creating this spreadsheet. Alune be praised!
(Ok, that was kinda corny...it won't happen again. I promise.)

I carefully entered all my gear using the WoW Armory page for my toon and adding the needed modifications at the bottom of the gear tab for such items as the Headless Horseman ring which isn't yet in the drop-down list.

When I get to the final tab and view the unbuffed character values and compare them to the Armory values, I find that they are almost consistently 18 points lower in the spreadsheet (ss) (i.e. int=491 in armory but 473 in ss; stamina=431/413; spirit=270/252). But, spell hit rating is the same. MP5 is 68 in armory but 66 in ss. Spell damage is the weird one: armory says 788 but ss says 805.

What could I have overlooked? Or, are the Armory calculations perhaps incorrect? I zero'd out the blue fields on the Wep Swaps tab since I don't generally do that.

Next question: why is Insect Storm included in the cast cycle and damage calcs when I entered zero for that talent? I would assume that the talent tab is read during the calculation and would "know" that no IS is possible in my case, and should ignore that when calculating the maximum damage spell rotation. No matter how I wrangle it, the Cast Cycle always says "IS,SFx4" is my best average DPS and I think it can't possibly be since I don't have the IS talent.

A final question: is IS really that much better than MF in dmg over time? Talent points are so precious...

Once again, thank you for this awesome bit of work!

While a group of 5 with 3 mages + Shadow + Elem might be the better group of 5, overall it's probably better for the raid for you to be getting the spell hit/crit/dmg from the Elem Shaman & all that mana from the Shadow Priest. Outside of that group, your own DPS will likely take a much bigger hit than the DPS gain for the currently-left-out mage.

"Never, ever, avoid items simply because they have spell haste. In a worst case scenario, spell haste means you'll be standing around doing absolutely nothing for a fraction of the time you used to be standing around hoping your spell didn't get interrupted by an AOE silence or the need to reposition or one of 100 other things (esp. in PvP).

Picking up spell haste = no change in the WORST case. (Assuming your threat meter works)."

Mark of the Wild?


IS is just so good that it's assumed for damage cycle calculations. I suppose I can try and add checking of the talent page...

Glad to help.

1. Do you have destruction locks?
IF you do, balancedruid, elem shaman, desto lock, destro lock, destro lock.
The have mage, mage, mage, spriest, resto shaman in g2.

The locks will get the most use of the crit and hit, while the spreist gets little from crit, and the locks gte little from the mana regen.

2. haste is bad for druid.
Ok, thats not true. Its not that haste is bad, its that damage, hit and crit are a bit better. crit being the closest. In an infinate mana situation, 1 haste rating is probably a bit better theoretical dps then 1 crit rating. But thoery and practice arent the same. Crit gives you more damage per mana. haste doesnt.
Haste doesnt effect mf, wrath, or IS. Crit effects mf, wrath and sf.

The second part of the equation isnt a theortical one. Its an itemazatoin one.

Compare the hyjal cresent moon belt. 53 damage/healing 2.3% spell haste with lunar guidance and imp spirit buff.
Starfire waistband from heroic badges, 67 damage/healing, 1.2% crit, 6mp/5, with lunar guidance, a 12 spell damage gem, and 6dam/5crit gem.

Theres no contest. The damage/crit from the socketed badge belt is far superiour. same with belt of blasting or anetherions noose. The haste belt doesnt compare regardless of haste, becuase it has no sockets.


Haste is a good option, after you are hit capped, and if getting the haste isnt coming at the price of other stats. The trash ring for example. Is better then ring of the captured storms if you are hit capped.



Now, for you specifically. We just picked up an elem shaman for our guild. This will give me 4% hit as Ill run with that shaman, that I didnt have before. I was hit capped with 157 hit in fact, more then I needed, and with a bonus 4%, 50 hit rating more then I need. So we would be in a similar situation.
I suggest anetherions noose, and ring of ancient knowledge. Belt of blastings key use is the hit rating. If you have an elem shaman, you should be able to get hit easily, and the noose is one of the best item upgrades for that slot over blasting.


I personally will be getting the spell haste badge offhand till I get rage winterchill offhand. I will be switching my ring of captured storms for the haste trash ring.
And will be getting the spell haste cape as soon as I figure out where its from..

Yep, I had 5/5 Mark of the Wild selected. Still coming up with same 18 point difference. Any other ideas what it might be?

Well, I can respec and yank a point from Brambles and put it in IS. But, will I be able to train the spell up to the max value since I've never had it before and I'm level 70 now? I've seen that a lot of feral spells prevent me from training them since I don't have the lower versions and my level is too high...I'm prolly screwed now huh?