A few things:
1) Regarding 2pc T4 - Looking over my past month's WWS logs, I pretty much get 1 proc for each minute I'm dpsing, give or take one or two procs from time to time. This averages out to 10mp5 instead of the 15mp5 on the spreadsheet. I'm curious if anyone else still uses this set and sees similar results?

2) I'm not quite sure how to properly model this, so maybe one of you has an idea :B. Let's say I'm using a MF SFx4 cast cycle(this is my best cycle according to the spreadsheet). If I pop some sort of damage trinket(like Icon of the Silver Crescent), is it worth doing IS MF SFx3 for two cycles? Or maybe continue on the MF SFx4 as usual, but then sneak in a IS at the very end before the bonus is lost? Or does just continuing on the same MF SFx4 rotation still produce the best results?

3) This is more just random, but since I'm running out of mana on the spreadsheet for a 10 minute fight(like at 9m 53 seconds), Bracers of the White Stag show up to be > the new Armwraps of the Kaldorei Protector... but I just can't ever justify taking 22 spirit over 6 int, 24 crit and 7 damage no matter what. It's actually quite bewildering to me. Obviously the new bracers are better since there are 0 fights where I just get to sit there and cast so mana doesn't actually run out.

Edit:
Ef, I think there's a problem with the Manual Entry options when the race is Night Elf. If I add Int, or Spirit in a mana limited fight, the spreadsheet says I actually lose DPS, but if the race is set to Tauren it behaves normally.

I'm kind of curious as to what the stat lines are people are pulling with their wish lists?

Caster Form:

441 Sta
435 Int
263 Spi
137 Hit
28.32 Crit
1185 +dam/heal
94 mp5

My group runs 4 LW's now, so you can add an extra +30 damage if you want.

Ele Sham
Ele Sham
Me
BM Hunter
SP

Oh, and thanks again Efejel, I love this thing. (:

Edit: How are ya'll factoring in destruction pots?

Efejel,

I am curious as to whether this idol or the Starfire idol will be better for overall DPS, my limited testing on the PTR suggests that the spell damage effect on the Moonfire idol triggers quite often (every2-3 casts of moonfire).

I was thinking about a spell rotation that could include a lower rank cast of Moonfire in addition to cause the spell damage effect to trigger more often. It looks to me like this new Moonfire idol could significantly raise overall DPS as compared to the Starfire idol if used to its full potential.

Ultimately I am wondering what is your opinion of the DPS viability for this new idol? Your spreadsheet has become my Moonkin manual and I would greatly appreciate your insight.

Justix

I would say wasting the 1.5s global cooldown for a low rank moonfire would pretty much ruin any dps gain from using the idol.
That being said, the idol is invarably higher dps then the others. The only problem is, can you afford the mana for using moonfire at all? If so, use it, and max rank moonfire. possibly use the macros posted earlier for using both idols. If not, stick with the starfire idol.

We run 2 caster groups.

Damn, that is one sweet group. Do you not have a shaman for the mages to? You guys run 3 elementals? Seems crazy, but that group is perfectly ideal for a shaman. It does seem to be a bit crazy on the stacking though, unless you really do have 3 elemental shamans. If you only had 2 you could put a resto in there and stick an elemental in the other group for minimal loss.

we run:
destro lock
Destro lock
Balance druid
elem/resto shaman
fire mage/spreist/destro lock dependig on who is online.

mage
mage
mage
resto shaman
spreist

In the spreadsheet, yeah. I keep dreaming of a Monte Carlo simulation as the back-end of a web-site. The sort of response the sheet has gotten has definately encouraged me to think more and more about it. No promises, but the daydream has started to come along with practical considerations like how much $$ per month for a web server that would let me run an application of that nature...

Haste plays VERY nicely with static formulas. Especially with latency & all that jazz. It also seems to get better & better as you're able to stack more & more. (Hence why the semi-max-DPS gearset I tried to upload the spreadsheet with is showing off lots of it.)

As for the new Moonfire Idol: trust the opinions of Caliane & other raiding Moonkin. My RL has turned my playtime on it's ear, so the last "end-game" fight I participated in was our first attempts on Hydross the Unstable in April/May... not exactly a solid basis for practical advice. Theoretically, I believe Caliane also showed that ~50% proc rate on the new idol puts it on par with the starfire idol, but doesn't produce a clear winner. I will toss out a little more theory-crafting, & I'd suggest it if you're doing MF, SF SF, IS, SF SF SF for the 4-pc T5 bonus, as the extra damage on the IS should bump it up a bit.

Very good job on this spreadsheet, but I have a few requests/fixes.

- Could you please implement stamina/resilience/HP properly so we can see pvp stats? (maybe even armour too)
- The seal of danzalar and 10 resilience gem missing from ring and gem lists.

Currently using your spreadsheet to calculate what my stats will be like when I've bought a load of S1/S2/S3 arena gear and honour gear. I'm adding up the resilience manually at the moment. But it would be nice if I didnt have to

While it might be a nice feature, for stuff like PVP and even Moonkin tanking, you pretty much have one choice for gear to use: Arena/PVP gear. The only exception as you noted is the Seal of Danzalar. For a little help with manually adding up the resillience though, S2 and S3 gear have the exact same resil values.

Efejel, I've updated my gear to the new gear I bought with badges(Moonwalkers and Elunite thingy), and the the strange DPS loss is no more... but it may have had something to do with the way mp5(and possible mana regen in general) is handled in the spreadsheet.

I've gone over a lot of sets of armor and haven't gotten a consistent way to reproduce this problem, but I did find something very strange. First, ensure you're in a mana limited fight, by setting shadow priest regen to something low and making the fight like 100 minutes. Next turn on the T4 2 pc bonus(which averages out to 15mp5 on the spreadsheet). Note the maximum DPS value, and turn the T4 2pc bonus off. Now go to the quick add, and add 15 mp5. You should be a bit off in dps. Set it to 21 mp5 and you should have the same value as what you got with the T4 2pc bonus.

...Hopefully that didn't make your head a splode.

I'm not sure if anyone else tested it, but I should point out that you can switch the new MF idol in the same macro as casting moonfire and it WILL proc. Here's Tuesday's WWS with me using the idol, I found it to proc a bit less than 50% myself, but considering that it's essentially free dmg with idol macros it's hard to complain(although I would LOOOVE to see the effect extended to 11 or even 12 seconds so I could reliably get the bonus for 3 SFs, as it stands now, you need at least 1 crit, which isn't unreasonable, but you also need near perfect timing on casts aswell, which can be a bitch even though 2.3 made it easier).