Awesome! Thank you so much both of you. Exactly what I was looking for. In regards to MP/5, I guess I'll experiment with it some and see how I can balance it in and stay in around the parameters you've jotted down here.

Thanks again!

Well I realized that was a pretty silly idea as I attempted to build for it. I'm only up to a hundred and change atm. I was thinking about it though, a 4p T5 w/ 216.5 haste rating for a MF/SFx4 is possible though. Not sure where you'll be hit cap wise but its doable. My concern right now is breaking the 50% paper crit line in a raid setting. I'm at 40 and have a ways to go but its gonna be fun. I just need some bosses to start being a bit nicer.

The other balance druid in my guild has 2p T6 and the 165 haste for the MF/SFx5 cycle, he's off for the week though.

Any chance at some WWSs? A lot of theory goes back and forth here and as one of the few balance druids to have Illidan down I think you could give some nice insight.

I've started to do some gear swapping with the spreadsheet, and changing gems each time is somewhat of a pain when trying to compare many items.
Would it be possible to have a default gem setting for blue/red/yellow slot type, and to be able to override it when entering specifig gems for the items, as it's done now ?

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Well I'm not sure if I'm "high end" enough to qualify, our guild just killed hydross and leo and is working on tidewalker, (lurker and VR are on farm) I'm usualy top or close to it on dps.

Enough about my "qualifications" what I found helped is gem for int, not +damage. If you itemize and gem for int it gives you some extra damage, extra crit, and mana longevity. I find it's worth it to not require a shadow priest since those are in short supply in my guild. When I do get a shadow priest I can change my food, oil, and flask from +mp5 to +damage, and give the priest my innervate.

Int gives small amounts to each stat but I find the overall effect is better. Use the spreadsheet and try re-gemming some of your gear in it, for me +8 int gives higher dps over a 10 minute fight than +9 damage.

Even without re-gemming simply switching your buffs between +dam and +mp5 depending on the fight and if you get a shaman or spriest can make a huge difference.

If you go out of mana in a fight any mana regen is beating any spelldmg choice. Its about knowing what will happen and how much mana you can spend. Theres more or less mana friendly rotations and there wont be a single solution for your raidsetup.

I was able to be in a spriest group all the way and started on a BT gearlevel, so i was able to even not specc Intensity and go for Imp FF instead. Resto shaman or a Pala group with Spellsurge is also helping. Make sure you poke palas for a single wisdom/salvation blessings if they buff kings and light on feral.

Choosing the right food/weapon buffs or even elixirs can help. Adepts and Draenic Wisdom is very close to the pure damage potentional of Blinding Light or Supreme Power and helps on the mana regen especially with Intensity and Improved Spirit buff in the raid.

In general try to always make use of any synergy you can, its the core element of raiding in BC and no spreadsheet will be able to cover all of it, just give hints on how it affects you.

Just wanted to say thanks to those that gave info. Anyways to get this back on track, has there been any talk of adding downnranked spells to the spreadsheet. I am just curious because i have heard that some downranked spells have a better dpm and i wouldn't mind experimenting.

You really shouldn't need to downrank spells for the whole duration of a fight. Ever. Here's something that you might have been looking for though: http://elitistjerks.com/346114-post9.html

If you are running low and mana and are using IS SFx4, then go ahead and downrank to SF6. But the mana savings is rather small, and this really shouldn't be that big of an issue. Even if you have to res someone and don't get the innervate for yourself, IS SFx4 is sustainable for practically forever - just make sure to chug them pots.

On a completely random note, I had a strange dream where I opened up a Christmas present, and inside was Improved Moonkin Aura - Increase damage from critical spells by 2/4%. I don't want to turn this thread into one of those threads, but that really would have been a nice Christmas present! (Nothing else in the dream was wow related, and I wasn't even playing the game. It was just like a giant tooltip coming out of a box... Yeah.)

There are a variety of fights where I do IS SFx4... Speaking to the question about mana... All i can say is be prepared to drink 3 mana pots and innervate yourself at least once every fight.

Back when we were doing Vashj I ended up drinking 4 mana pots, using my own innervate twice and getting innervated by another druid EACH ATTEMPT. Of course that was with me spamming wrath nonstop for all of phase 2. I pulled in some pretty ridiculous overall damage and dps numbers though.

In general I have found that to gear up based on mp5/spirit/int isn't worth it in the end. It is much better to max damage and rely on consumables/innervates/shadowpriests. Remember the goal is to run out of mana right as the boss goes down. You should be able to hone your gear to the point where that happens regularly. It comes from experience.

The whole MF SFx4 to IS SFx4 thing comes down to instinct as to when it should happen.

Forgive me if this seems newbie-ish.

If the spreadsheet is telling me my DPS average should be 1000+ but I'm getting 750 out of WWS, does that mean I'm just failing at my spell rotation?

For example:
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Against tidewalker, my best DPS (we didn't down him this time) ~740ish. My best rotation on the spreadsheet (IS,MF,SFx3) is ~1019.

Also, how are you guys using the Idol of the unseen moon? Right now I added it to a moonfire macro to equip it after first moonfire cast, then my starfire or wrath cast macros equip their idol appropriately.

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