Wow, thanks. I'm sort of keeping up with things, even if maybe I shouldn't. LOL @ Eyonix posting about his moonkin. He started it, when, a year ago? I thought December, but check out this bluetracker: http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/28355824.htm
Just now 62! Balance is clearly fine, L2P.

The best approach would be to manually do a weighted average of the two weapons, and input it as a "custom" weapon. For instance, say I had a Gavel of Unearthed Secrets with Spellsurge (hey, I do!) and a Nathrezim Mindblade with +40 dmg (I wish...). If I used my Gavel ~25% and the Mindblade ~75%:

(18 * .75) + (16 * .25) = 17.5 int
(23 * .75) + (15 * .25) = 21.5 crit
((203 + 40) * .75) + (159 * .25) = 222 dmg
Avg weap: 17.5 int, 21.5 crit, 222 dmg

Good catch. To fix this, go to Format > Sheet > Unhide (Show in OOo calc), choose "Shoulder Enchants" (OK) and change the appropriate columns. (Will fix now so future versions have this correct, but not re-uploading for such a tiny fix!) Format > Sheet > Hide when you're finished.

I didn't include too many green quality items, especially for jewelry. That's a pretty decent ring though, so I'll add it in for future versions.

To add your own items:
Format > Sheet > Unhide (Show in OOo calc)

Select the sheet with the item you wish to add

Insert a row SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE (after the first item & before the last--this is to make sure it falls within the named regions used on the gear select page)

Input the stats for the item

If you wish, you can re-sort the items. Make sure you select all rows & columns -- if done correctly, the region name will show up just below the font ("Ring_Table" here). You want the column you're sorting by to be the "highlighted" column--here it's Column A, item name. Click the "AZ↓" button. Viola.

If you add items with an associated "Socket" page, you'll need to add them there as well. A quick glance there should help you figure out what you need to do!

The value given on my sheet is your in-combat mp5 only. However, when I input your items (and enchants) I get 121 on the sheet.


With MotW I'm seeing 8075 on Armory & 8470 on the sheet. Sorry, but this is a known error. If anyone can figure out what the fuck Blizzard is using to calculate our in game mana, I'd appreciate letting me in on the secret. For some reason our "base mana" of 2470 + (int * 15) doesn't work. But I'll be damned if I know any reason it should be anything else.

Good advice on the "Read Me" linking back to here & taking some credit. I'll be sure and do that.

Weapon Swaps is for those who use separate weapons at the start of the fight (a "high int" weapon) and for innervate. Originally I was going to calculate the actual DPS differences of the different weapons and calculate the appropriate penalties, but I ran out of momentum before accomplishing this. Now they're simply used for calculating the additional mana to start with, and the additional mana gained during self-innervates.

Version 0.69

All "relevant" talents implemented (including HotW, SotF, Nat Perfection, LS)
Limited support for more mana restore effects (incl. T4 set bonus & IED meta gem)
--Updated Spellsurge handling (now as 1 PPM per enchant, should behave similarly to previous implementation)
Added Trinkets, Weapons, Off-hands to gear select page
--GEAR SELECT NOW "COMPLETE"
Improved "Read me"
Added space for "custom" items
Fixed reported errors

Any chance you could model the new Darkmoon cards? I just picked up crusade, and for now I am putting it in as a flat 80 damage but it would be cool to model it for real.

Ef, I must say this is a very well put together spreadsheet that provides a ton of information. I am a big fan of using spreadsheets to calculate data, and this has probably been my favorite one to analyze.

On that note, I personally only play balance casually (when I respec to farm from time to time). I am primarily a resto druid and I know tons upon tons of information about resto in general. I was hoping, with your permission, I could take your sheet and try to expand on it to include resto as well. Either way I will be doing it for myself, but with your permission I would be willing to share my additional work with the community.

If the answer is yes, maybe I could get you on vent / aim sometime to tackle a couple of conditional formatting (i'm not good at making things pretty) questions I have.

You're more than welcome to adapt the spreadsheet as you see fit. I'd be quite curious to see what results a resto spreadsheet would demonstrate. PM me your AIM info and I will get ahold of you to discuss formatting.

I actually have a simulator that currently handles the five main caster dps classes.

Post is here: From TheoryCraft to SimulationCraft

I'm hoping some of the class experts might be willing to look over a portion of the implementation.

Here is the Druid code: http://wow-raid-sim.cvs.sourceforge.....C?view=markup

Trinket choice for those examples was just this side of random..... .certainly not optimal.

I just wanted to show the range of possibilities........

I gave the moonkin the int listed there with 1000 spell damage 35% crit and 70 hit rating and full dps consumeables, and took fight length short enough so mana isn't an issue, and got 1600 DPS... When I did the same thing for my mage with my gear (which is better than these values by quite a bit for fire damage) I was only gettgin 1300 DPS. So unless moonkins can outDPS fire mages and the moonkins I play with simply suck, or moonkins go oom extremely fast (although they do lose on short fights as well in my experience!), this sheet may as well have errors.
I'd look them up but I don't understand all those advanced excel commands ;p

As for threat, any DPS class that knows what he's doing will out-threat a decent tank if they don't have salv. However with salv giving a good tank a small lead makes it very hard to climb back up as your threat/second should be similar. Conclusion - take salv or your DPS WILL be capped by threat. Unless maybe it's an uber feral tank with over 1000 tps ;p
To compare my mage is over 600 tps with salv and 10% threat reduction talent and a raid buffed tank does 600-800 too. Without salv I'd be sitting there and watching the fight almost 1/2 the time...

Hi. Welcome to "Balance Druids - Real Hard Facts" -- please enjoy your stay.

The discriminating traveler can learn more at: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...sid=1&pageNo=1

It may also interest you to know that a Moonkin in 5/5 Tier 6 + Naturewarden's Treads, Elunite Empowered Bracers, The Nexus Key, Sextant of Unstable Currents, Airman's Ribbon of Gallantry, Violet Signet of the Archmage, Ring of Recurrence, with epic gems & best enchants has about 24.3% crit, 134 hit rating, and 1115 dmg from gear/talents, and fully raid buffed can sustain 1260 DPS for over 6.5 min (excluding the two tier 6 set bonus effects, which will add up to ~5% more DPS).

It turns out, amazingly enough, making up arbitrary numbers for inputs produces arbitrary numbers for outputs! (#)

My guild is currently devoid of a dancing chicken, I want to remedy that.

So far for talent specs, I have some questions. The balance talent tree is very top heavy, very little filler talents and basically all look very great. I've come up with

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Mt0rdicsguAZZxxcb

I have heard good things about Force of Nature as being viable mana effecient dps, but is it?
I would love to somehow pick up 5/5 Subtley, but the points just aren't there - and I presume that threat will not be too much of an issue because of my substandard gear.

Any, on the topic of gear, any advice? I'm looking to gear up with the best pre-raid gear, so I can prove that moonkin deserves a slot and gear upgrades.